This was easy for me - met Tony at a big show, he acted rudely (I was ready to order a new 21...not so fast); spoke to Lou about a gun on the phone a few years later, ready to buy as well, he acted like he was irritated and doing me a favor to speak w/ me. That was enough.

Might be the water up there in the NE, but I want nor more of them. And from what I've since seen of their production (including the new A-10 in the latest SSM, talk about wood to metal fit!), I have no pangs of regret.