It's all a disaster. Kirkp, you need to start looking at guns that are in their original condition. "Bright and shiney" is not a good thing. Original rust blueing has a soft luster. Case colors,even when worn are not shiney. Stocks were finished with oil and where satin or eggshell. It's all supposed to be understated and classy. That poor Philadelphia Arms gun looks like a Cadillac with a vinyl roof, too much chrome and whitewall tires.