Ive bought every $20 yard sale/ flea market 600jr I have seen. ( thats approximately 2 dozen although a few were cheaper) There are lots of ways to do things. I keep short and long machines in all my gauges. I converted one to 8 ga and customized a supersizer to take the industrial ring off 8 ga hulls. I pay attention when someone shares a trick. Im not trying to give 12brd a hard time- just happy to help the next guy.