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I bought recently a 1948 Jos. Winkler 16Ga shotgun. It is in very good condition. Anson & Deely scaloped boxlock, Greener cross bolt, plain wood. Their 70 cm barrels do not show their make aside from an (M) and another indescribable marking. Does anyone knows how many steel makers could have supplied barrel blanks, Bohler included, to the Ferlach gunmakers right after WWII?

Times were still tough in 1947/1948 so I would guess that they used leftover stock like many of the other makers. If not Boehler, then my next guess would be Poldi/Poldihutte, Vienna. But there were others:

Austrian Alpine Company
Kapfenberg(High Grade Steel Works) and Ternitz(I don't know who had control of these or if they were under Boehler)
Austrian Crucible Steel
Prague Iron Industry Company
Bohemian Coal and Steel Company - I don't know when or if the last 2 were absorbed or dissolved.


And of course there were other possiblities like Skoda, Rheinstahl and Gebruder Mannesmann, Max & Reinhard.
Either Max in 1887, http://www.google.com/patents?id=Q8FxAAA...cad=0_0#PPA1,M1 , or Reinhard in 1890, http://www.google.com/patents?id=DeFjAAA...cad=0_0#PPA2,M1 , patented a method of making seamless tubes and I can't say if Mannesmann made gun tubes or not.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

thanks for this list and the historical context. Do you know where I can find marking codes of these makers?

Regards.

EJSXS

EJ:

I'll be honest that I don't about the marks on most of the makers yet but Skoda is a winged arrow in a circle, http://www.quel.nl/Toeleveranciers/skoda-steel/19041 , and Poldi is an image of Poldi with a star atop in a circle, http://www.poldi.cz/ . If you get a good pic, you could post or send me an image and it might ring a bell.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I did forget Witkowitz of Austria:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/at-kuk-witkowitz.htm .

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

thanks again for all this info. Now going back to the markins, there are two, very close to each other: 1. (M) 2. CC or CG. They are present on both barrels. Comment: lower end of this G can also be seen as a "christian fish", similar to the one at the bottom of the CSMC web site.

Regards,

EJSXS

EJSXS:

List that CSMC site as I couldn't seem to find it or the reference. Sometimes a funky "G" is an acronym for registered design but the "C" isn't with it.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

Between the NRA and the NSSF logos in the CSMC website there is the shape of a "fish" that was the symbol of early christians. Now, the lower parts of the double CCs or GGs have this shape.

Regards,

EJSXS