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Would you so kind to tell me the "real" maker of a beautiful H&H Dominion 12 gauge, n. 19875, made in 1895?
Bennet & Bickley?
W. & C. Scott?
Do you know (or at least you can presume) if it was finished by H&H, or was sent to them fully completed by the real maker?
Unfortunately, I don't have the Dallas book.
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Anyone knows who produced the old "Dominion" guns around 1880-1890s years?
The answer should be at least in the H&H Donald Dallas book.
Thanks in advance,
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I believe Scott sent them completed to H&H.
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This gun falls in the serial range of 19501-20000 which is listed as Rifles, Guns, Hammer guns, single guns. date range is 1895 -1904
Post 1894 This gun was a No.3 or c grade back action hammerless gun, the "Dominion" moniker didn't arrive until the 30's. You can call H&H in london and request a letter, they charge $50.00 here in the US, I don't know what they charge in the UK though.
The gun falls after the first factory being built in 1893, So it may very well have been finished at Holland's after being bought "in the white" from Scott. A lot of people contend that Holland bought completely finished guns from Scott's, I agree during the pre factory time frame only, in other words why would Holland's have built a state of the art factory if they were going to bring in "finished" guns with their name on them?
The only reason I can think of is order volume. Even if it was a finished Scott gun, Holland would not have put his name on it if it wasn't of the quality he expected.
If you have bought this gun or you are going to, I highly suggest buying Donald's book as well.
Didn't mean to ramble on, I get excited talking about early H&H guns.
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In my opinion H&H would buy in fully finished Scott guns and then rework them to bring them down to Holland & Holland quality.
Sorry, couldn't resist that bit of sarcasm.
"Buy from Birmingham, Buy the Best"
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Not a problem, that is what makes this forum so great, differing opinions are just that "different opinions" nothing more, nothing less. I have seen pictures of some exquisite Scott guns, I am lusting after that “Premier Grade” two barrel set that lewis drake has. that is the most beautiful gun I have ever seen and the top echelon of the gunmakers art IMO. You may have seen this already.........but wow http://www.drake.net/scott2bblH&H
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In my opinion H&H would buy in fully finished Scott guns and then rework them to bring them down to Holland & Holland quality.
Sorry, couldn't resist that bit of sarcasm.
"Buy from Birmingham, Buy the Best"
New tag line for you.......LOL "Support the Birmingham gun trade....buy a London gun" H&H
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As I recall, the H&H factory ramped up production on the Royals. They could have likely bought in the Scott guns cheaper than they could do the work themselves. I'd be just short of positive that Scott did the finish. Somehow, H&H got away with putting their name on lower Original Quality grade guns without a Brand Value level ding.
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I agree. The consensus is that H&H concentratd on'Royals' in the London factory, while farming out the hammer guns and back-locks to Scott in the main.
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