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As stated I also believe it is a dealer to dealer thing. I recently sold a few safe queens and some FFLs required my DL and some didn't. What I somewhat could gather was the DL made them feel better about the firearm not being stolen.

You are obviously correct about the "dealer to dealer" thing. However, we're talking about the laws here, or should be. Traffic cops don't, or shouldn't, make up their own laws and neither should FFL people.

I appreciate all of the feedback, Mr. Legg' well put. I truly believe we have enough gun laws and requirements without the dealers making more rules. With ID theft on the rise, many of us do not like having this information on them going to places or to people we have never met.

as Steven said....this is why many of us FFL holders do not wish to take transfers from individuals. Oddly, most of us who have gone to the trouble of getting a license would like to keep that license. Why would I want to have a transfer on my books without a record of your drivers license? I don't. I run a business and provide a service, if it is too much trouble for you to provide a photo copy of your license, you are not someone I want to provide my service for. There is no conspiracy here folks, just some of us trying to keep the doors open. I take a copy of every drivers license I do a 4473 on. It only makes sense that on the inbound side of my books I have either an FFL or a drivers license to show for each gun. Just my viewpoint, but if you do not want to play by my rules, find another ffl or get your own.
Steve

Gun dealers are no different than any other slice of the population. Some are brilliant people with higher education, some not so much.

How does a drivers license for someone who is in another state and not in front of you to compare the picture/info provide any protection? Even if the gun is stolen,you didn't sell it and the person who stole it and sold is not going to give you "his" drivers license to put in your bound book.

FFL's can make up whatever rules they want to do business,the buyers choice who they want to deal with.
A drivers license or FFL is no "legally" required by federal law.

Dave,
My recollection is that the FFL holder has to record who the gun came from. There is no requirement on how he is to establish "who" it came from. But, I beleive a copy of a legal ID has been a precendent that ATF has accepted as the recieving FFL having done 'due diligence' in establishing ID.

My bank now requires that a customer swipe their drivers license thru a reader when getting service. I've asked the bank personnel and the number of licenses they get that are bogus under even this type of situation is appalling. Being in the South West we naturally have a big Illegal problem and a corresponding big business in providing false identifications.
I have to agree that someone sending in their drivers license is NO guarantee that it's the same individual doing the firearms transfer and even if it was a face to face transaction the license could still be fake.
jim.

From the ATF site;
Page 67;

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps41631/2005/p53004.pdf
"The purchase or other
acquisition of a firearm shall, except as
provided in paragraph (g) of this section,
be recorded not later than the close of the
next business day following the date of
such purchase or acquisition. The record
shall show the date of receipt, the name
and address or the name and license
number of the person from whom received,
the name of the manufacturer and
importer (if any), the model, serial number,
type, and the caliber or gauge of the firearm"

A DL may be a handy way to do it but it is not required,just name a adress, in transaction Phillip is involved in,especially as a "claw back" requirment after the deal was done.
For a in person sale with a 4473,yes a DL would be the way to do it but for guns recieved through the mail it is not required nor does it offer any protection IMO.If it where me,and I was unlicensed I would just call the guy and see what and why he wants it,perhaps it could be straightend out over the phone when both parties understand what the other wants.

Good stuff, Dave. To get into the logic of the intention, it doesn't matter if the seller is "Jack the Ripper". What matters is that the transferee(the buyer, for folks from Rio Linda) passes the background check. I've met Steve and I know he's a good guy but we can respectfully disagree on this one. I will not deal with an FFL who makes up his own "rules". That said, I DO understand the concern for keeping your license in good standing. For the same reason, I would never ask an FFL holder or seller/buyer to do anything shady or illegal. Following the ACTUAL laws are all anyone needs to do. Sorry to beat this to death but it's one of my favorite topics. Comes up frequently.
Thanks to all,