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I understand from the felonius Mr. Wilson that 21s are difficult to date YOM based on serial. Can anyone make a guess which would narrow it a bit for serial 29XX, marked "Skeet" 12 ga. 28", straight hand stock, btfe. I am also uncertain if this is skeet choked or skeet grade as I don't see WS-1 or 2 on the barrelset.
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According to Ned Schwing's book, your frame was made during the first year of production - 1931. Hard to estimate when the gun was actually finished. "Skeet" was a grade - not a designation of intended use. The skeet guns typically had a BT forearm and checkered butt. To reinforce the point, I have a 2 barrel set 20 gauge Skeet grade gun with 3" chambers in each set of barrels - 26" IC/Mod, and 28" Mod/Full. Suggest you ask your question on the M21 forum - http://www.model21shotgun.com/
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"Skeet" was a grade - not a designation of intended use. This is true, however the greatest percentage Skeet Grade guns were choked WS-1/WS-2 for the intended use at skeet. It didn't take long for them to become the best upland hunting combo. The choke markings are on the bottom of the barrels. You have to take the barrels off to see them. Contact the Cody Museum and buy a letter that will tell you when it was assembled.
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Contact Pauline Muerrle http://www.paulinemuerrle.com/Good friend of mine, Pauline was the last engraver in the custom shop, believe she has many of the 21 factory records. V/R Mike
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Yes indeed, excellent site and Ms. Muerrle who was present at the creation as a bonus. Thanks for the help. Gun not in my possession; consigned gun which suddenly dropped from 45C to 35 today, seller gaining "motivation" which I guess is a euphemism for either desperation or a reality check or both. My usual day to "visit" it which I have been doing for about 3 months. Actually, it's my day to look in at the shop as they're open late Thurs. May have to take the bore mic and snap caps and look under that forend. Wood is fantastic as I detect no dents, finish wear, missing diamonds. Does have a pretty horrible Morgan adjustable on the back. That can be corrected easily and fairly inexpensively. By the lights of my limited experience and judgment, I think it may be a fairly good example in both cosmetics and function.
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Hope it measures up and works out to be a good deal, jack.
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Jack, where is it marked "skeet"? At the rear of the floorplate, I hope. Remove the forend and look for choke markings. Watch out if there are no choke markings. Make sure the barrels have Winchester markings. A set of retrofit barrels made in Europe will lower the value considerably, as will a bad refinish. I hope you have the gun by now. Let us know.
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Gun was at "Trapper John's" in New Castle as I'm sure you'd expect, Bill. Missed it as someone else noticed that the seller was "highly motivated" and price reduced, so I assume it sold after my visit Thurs. evening. I'm kicking myself just a bit about this one; not quite as much as I did over the 29hundreddollar Browning BSSSL game-scened engraved on the same consignment rack a few yrs. ago. One really should research the gun "I'll never buy" just in case the door opens a crack,
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Yes indeed, excellent site and Ms. Muerrle who was present at the creation as a bonus. Thanks for the help. Gun not in my possession; consigned gun which suddenly dropped from 45C to 35 today, seller gaining "motivation" which I guess is a euphemism for either desperation or a reality check or both. My usual day to "visit" it which I have been doing for about 3 months. Actually, it's my day to look in at the shop as they're open late Thurs. May have to take the bore mic and snap caps and look under that forend. Wood is fantastic as I detect no dents, finish wear, missing diamonds. Does have a pretty horrible Morgan adjustable on the back. That can be corrected easily and fairly inexpensively. By the lights of my limited experience and judgment, I think it may be a fairly good example in both cosmetics and function.
jack That gun was most likely built with a checkered butt stock and has been cut, unfortunatly. 
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I am not an expert on Model 21, so maybe one of you could answer a question. Some decades ago, I picked up a Model 21, 16 ga, marked Skeet in front of the trigger guard. Chokes marked WS1 and 2. Now that I have seen a few more things , Winchester 21 wise, I think the obviously factory stocks were odd. They were English walnut, while most I see are American black walnut. Is the English walnut uncommon ?
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