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Ok so I own only one gun that was made after 1940. I really only collect say 1890 through 1940's. So a C&R is really what I need not an FFL. I do not have anything to do with hand guns other than my house 1911 and even that was made in 1917.

Thanks for clairfication Steve,that does not suprise me,is there any allowance for adjoing states?Is been so long since I bought a gun without using my C&R I really am not up on the gun show rules for sellers.
Recoil Rob,
its my understand that we to have book in (or out) every gun that is C&R qualified no matter how we aquired it if buy or sell it while licensed.If it was aquired previous to obtaining license C&R then it does not have to go in book unless it is sold.Then you just put "Aquired prior to obtaining C&R" in the aquisition section.Thats the way I read it.
Dave K

Actually the only restrictions in Kalif on C & R licensees are handguns which must go through a 01 holder. If you are primarily intrested in C & R eligible double guns a 03 license will save you money and anguish, about 50.00 per transaction. me smiling after I got my C & R

The "adjoining state" rule is dead. A licensee may sell to a resident of any state in a person-to-person transaction at the licensed premises, if applicable state laws are observed.

The operative date for C&R is this date in 1956.

Ok Steve, thanks. Gun show, or no gun show to sell a gun to a resident of another state I need to have the transaction booked through an FFL dealer. Next question of course is why can't you do exactly the same thing I can, and sell a gun at an out of state show through a dealer?

I have a C&R works great. Less hassle than a FFL. If you are looking at collecting old L.C.s Parkers,etc.. it is the ticket for you. If you are into modern guns get the FFL.-IM

Because the law says you can't. Since a licensee cannot sell anywhere but his licensed premises or a qualifying gunshow in the state of his licensed premises, to permit this to be circumvented by merely using a resident licensee as a conduit would render the law meaningless. This begs the question of whether that provision of the law makes sense to begin with.

Um... is not the actual 'sale' between the resident dealer and the transferee? I fail to see how this transaction is different from shipping the gun to the resident dealer for transfer. The only difference is that the selling person (licensed or not) is actually present.

Steve is correct...and it does make little sense...but a dealer FFL at a gun show in a state other than the one in which his licensed premises is in, cannot transfer a firearm to a non licensee. He cannot transfer a modern (non C&R) forearm even to another FFL. He may however, transfer C&R firearms to other FFL holders. For the modern firearms sales, he can make the sale on paper, but the firearm must be shipped to the buyer(FFL) from the FFL's business location (state). Why they would allow the transfer of C&R between FFL's at an out of state gun show and not 'modern' firearms is really confusing,,but I'll take it!

Steve;
"Because the law says you can't. Since a licensee cannot sell anywhere but his licensed premises or a qualifying gunshow in the state of his licensed premises , to permit this to be circumvented by merely using a resident licensee as a conduit would render the law meaningless. This begs the question of whether that provision of the law makes sense to begin with"


So to obey the letter of the law,every dealer at the say Vintagers or Las Vegas Arms show that was not from NY or Nevada could not sell a firearm at the show and have the buyer walk out with it and any gun sold that way the transaction was illegal ?