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Hard to beat an automatic for meat hunting. I kill more birds with my 3rd shell than I do my 1st shell unfortunately. I have several double guns and I enjoy hunting with them - but I seem to always bring more birds home with my Benelli.

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Rolla A. Heikes clearly deserved the prize for the most championships with different guns. He was the first industry representatives in 1885, with the LeFever Gun Co. In 1895-96, Heikes participated in 67 tournaments (despite having malaria in the summer of 1895) and was high gun in 60 using a Winchester 1893 slide-action. He defeated Fred Gilbert in 1896 at the 2nd "E.C." Cup "Champion Inanimate Target Shot of the World" in New York and was 4th in the GAH at Live Birds. Prior to using the Winchester, he shot a L.C. Smith. He defeated Charles Grimm on Dec. 6 1897 for the Cast Iron Medal using a Winchester 1897. He defeated Fred Gilbert for the "E. C." Cup at Chicago, August 13, 1898 with a score of 140 to 137 out of 150 targets, then successfully defended the "Cast Iron Medal" against Fred Gilbert at Eau Claire, Wis., in August and W.R. Elliston in Nashville in October. In 1899 he used a Remington Hammerless Double to defeat E.D. Fulford for the "E.C." Cup in January and won the Sportsmen's Association Championship Trophy in the trapshooting tournament held on the roof of the Madison Square Garden in March. He used a Parker at the 1900 GAH at Live Birds, then went back to his Remington to win the first Grand American at Clay Targets held at Interstate Park in New York City June 12-15, 1900. In November 1900, he was using a new single trigger Remington hammerless double. He was part of the victorious American team in the June 1901 Anglo-American Clay Bird Match using a Parker. He started 1902 shooting the Remington single trigger again, then used a LC Smith at the Ohio State shoot and to take 3rd in the last GAH at Live Birds in Kansas City. He came back from Typhoid Fever in 1904 to take HOA at the Dominion of Canada Exhibition Shoot in Winnipeg again shooting a Remington.

In 1905 he began shooting a Remington Autoloading Shotgun and was 2nd High Professional at the 1906 GAH.

Courtesy of Chris Lien c. 1905



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One thing that has not been stressed is
the impact of semi auto weapons in World War II,
many GIs returning home now felt comfortable with the tools from hell smile

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Skeettx:

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One thing that has not been stressed is the impact of semi auto weapons in WWII,


Because the original post-question was:

Originally Posted By: Craig Larter
Why did repeaters come to dominate the US shotgun marketplace in the teens and 20's??




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The entire 1912 American Olympic team took the Gold with Remington Pumps

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=185YOyQl7GIB9OYLs9Hr3tnMLHqs4rjEdR4j_E9l4HLw


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Originally Posted By: AmarilloMike
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Then I bumped into an old geezer at the gun club who was shooting one of those dangerous old damascus barreled side by sides.

Did the "geezer" break his foot last year? wink

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Thanks for all the great reply's---so far it seems to boil down to:
1. firepower 5-7 shells versus 2
2. wanting the latest new technology----driven by American culture and marketing in a free market economy.
3. acceptance by professional shooters----excellent performance when it matters
4. returning WW1 GI's familiarity with repeating firearms

John Browning's inventiveness kinda made it all happen in the context of the times.

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Originally Posted By: 2-piper
It was never a "Civil War", an act of Congress (as I rcall was in the 1920s) declared the official name to be "The War Between the States". Since "The WaH" ended in 1865 of course the Win 66 had no part of it, nor did the Volcanic have much impact. The Henry (successor to the Volcanic) & the Spencer were the two repeaters which saw much use during this Late Unpleasantness. At the Batle of Hoover's Gap in middle TN, about 50 miles from where I live was fought the first battle in which an entire Battalion was equipped with repeating rifles. Col Wilder, the Battalion Commander under General Rosecrans who had personally signed for every man in his battalion to purchase their Spencer, took in an afternoon "The Gap" which Rosecrans had hoped they would be able to accomplish in 3 days. My ancestors & relatives who were there were on the receiving end, not the firing end of those Spencers. There are tales from my family from a little further south where some minor fighting took place in an area known as Liberty Gap of some of my ancestors crawling under their bed & listening to the bullets flying around, & through, their house above them. Primary ancestors of mine who lived & some fought, in this area were Elams, Hoovers, Edwards, Millers, Binghams & Fulkses


2-piper, I had the distinct honor of finding a home for the relics of an older gentleman here in Amarillo. The most important was the civil war relics of his grandfather, Sgt Charles Bothwell of the 98th Illinois, which was part of Wilders mounted infantry. By some miracle the Spencer rifle he carried through the war survived, along with much of his camp kit and battlefield pickups. He served from 1862 till discharge in late '65. His small regiment was credited with holding back the main southern assault at Chickamaguga long enough for the retreating Federal forces to regroup in a new defensive line. Only the fearsome firepower of the repeating Spencer saved the day. Then he fought through the campaigns, including Hoover's Gap and culminated with the assault on Selma. Here he picked up a little pocket bible almost identical to those the Gideon's pass out that was printed by The Confederate States Bible Society, 1862. The rifle and all the accoutrements now reside permanently at the Chickamaguga-Chattanooga National Military Park. It is the only Spencer with proven provenance to the battle.










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Joe, awesome post, sweet

Others, Thanks for the correction
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Jay R. Graham, H. D. Gibbs, Lester German, William H. Heer, and Charles G. Spencer in 1913. Heer switched from a Remington C.E.O. and only German still shooting a (Parker) double
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1913/VOL_61_NO_21/SL6121032.PDF


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