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Hi. No it is not "& sohn", it says emil kerner, Suhl. Where do you see the repair? Can you tell me what the water table is?

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Is it Emil Kerner & Sohn? It is post 1912 and pre-1923 from what I see. Experienced a repair at some point. Can you get a closeup of the K just above the "Crown" over S(Schrot) on the underside of the right tube? Looks similar to F.W. Keler's locks. What is on the water table or standing breech?

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I'm not sure what that is....I can try to get a better pic.



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What might this mark be?

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Here are some more pics of that area....can't quite make out what that letter is. There also appears to be some markings behind the lug on the inside, can't quite make them out:





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The buttplate is off a Ruger for sure.
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chevypilot,
I addressed some of this under your other posting on German Gun Collectors Assn. Forum, I will be interested to see what information others provide.
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Thanks Mike. Im wondering the useability and value, and wether I should send somewhere for cleaning and insoection. I'm very impressed with the quality.

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Any idea where I could find a correct buttplate?

Ellenbr: what do you make of that Mark?

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I found a couple more interesting marks. What do you make of these?





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My theory, please comment:

I believe the shotgun was made pre 1912 and originally blackpowder.

Right barrel flat proof marks: Eagle on top of crowned U on top of 16/1 (meaning Second or final black powder proof, valid such only with a crowned U, Was replaced 1912 by no 17 for Nitro proof, but was still valid until 1939 as final black powder proof. Second set of markings shows crown W over circled 16 (meaning choked barrel, circle used 1891-1945)

Left barrel flat proof marks: exactly as above with the exception of NO crown W.

Higher up on both barrels, identically marked is a chicken looking eagle (similar to the 50's-70s west german markings) with a Faint J underneath (reproof 1951-1971) next to a crowned S (smoothbore 1950-92).

On the watertable are similiar markings but obviously different proofhouses from one verticle set to the other.

No markings on the breechface.

The last set of pictures I posted shows what I believe to be a very tiny either Vienna or Ferlach proofhouse mark, and up by the center lug a Proofhouse mark of later origin.

Of other interest is that the last two digits of the serial number is also stamped on the inside of the trigger gaurd and also on the inside of the forearm release mechanism.

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