I was searching for a PM on the Shooting Sportsman forum and went to page 3, looking for older messages. Bill Wise was sending me a message telling me about my friend, his son, Ben Wise, shooting ducks at Remington Farms "back in the day", with Rudy Etchen and his 870. Both Ben and Rudy shot 870s both for game, trap, and pigeons. What a message to retrieve from my old friend, Bill. I understand Ben is now down south guiding bird hunters and handling dogs as he is supposed to be doing. To bad he is not up with us in Maryland and Delaware as he had been for a lifetime. Bill Murphy, on the West Side of the Chesapeake.