doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com The fit of these barrels...

Let me just say up front that I will be firing off an email to ascertain if by some great stroke of luck there are a second set of barrels not currently known to me.

2-piper,
Thank you for confirming what I believed to be true with 16's being built on XX frames. I did not know the same was true for 12's.

8-bore,
I am encouraged by your opinion on the originality. I found the fit to be indicative of that. I agreed with AmarilloMike in my recent post regarding 20ga bore diameter and now you that this piece is rare. I only test fired with snap caps so far. Oh, I fully intend to purchase this as I have agreed to a sale price and will be inspecting in a short time. I hope to find the bores pass inspection. Will show more ASAP.

Bobby,
Are your barrels twist or damascus? I havent determined this one here is 2 or 3 iron. You can see pretty good in the photo is you zoom. What's your serial number range please? Can you measure bore diameter of yours?

Thanks All,

Bird

Jeff,

Looking at your photo set I noticed that the receipt for work is for a different gun - note the six digit serial number and the reference to a Sterlingworth.

My H 20 has original damascus barrels plus a fluid steel set from Austria, as I recall.

Terry,

I'm sorry for any confusion the photobucket link caused, but this topic is completely unrelated to the Fox photos and the receipt from Mitzi Beilin. I guess I should have started another album?

Do you by chance have a gauge to check the bore diameter of your H? I need some reference so that I can make some conclusions as to whether or not this 20 has been honed.

Thank you.

Jeff, here is my GE 20 in very high unmolested condition. I am certain the bores haven't been played with and will be happy to share the dimensions with you later in the week. However, like most early makers , i doubt they ever had a firm standardized size. Serial number is in the 70's.

Well isn't that a honey Joe? The subject of my questions is a 45,XXX gun. When would you expect G engraving would have transitioned from the G in my picture to yours. Also, a finer grade of Damascus in yours.

Your point about standardization is well taken. I should have been focusing on wall thickness more than bore because of your point alone. I'll take whatever you have to offer with regards to barrel dimensions.

Someone was nice enough to share the following with me regarding the barrel mating to the breech.

http://mail.twc.com/do/redirect?url=http%253A%252F%252Flefeverforum.informe.com%252Fsweet-ee-20-dt35.html&hmac=b6b237f594c2046c79c8de4d7056ff35

My observation was that while the difference was less than mine, the thing that stood out more was the striking of the barrels and the resulting contour of the barrels. Would the referenced EE be an example of the finer finish associated with an E relative to a G? Joe's gun would throw a wrench to that unless the significant difference lies in the manufacturing era as exampled by the engraving and barrel Damascus.

In an old thread on the Lefever forum, I believe we identified at least eight different pin spacings in Lefever shotguns. There is no standardization in Lefever frames, even in XX frames. It shouldn't be hard to bring up that Lefever forum thread, but it's a long one. And there are two versions, both with good information. Jeff, early E Grades were as plain as can be with only small bits of scroll around the screws. Yes, the era of the Lefever determines the amount of engraving in the same grade. Bill Murphy

Jeff,my GE 20 has damascus barrels and is similar to Joe's Lefever. Bobby

The seller says previous owner has no knowledge of a second set of barrels.

Joe and Bobby,
That pattern looks like Washington or Stars and Bars. Am I right?

Received additional photos that provide additional angles. My conclusion is there is a real versus perceived difference. However, I am not concerned the least.

Jeff, you're absolutely right on the pattern on my GE 20 gauge. Here's a better shot of it:

Jeff, did you buy the little 20? Looking at the close fit of the dolls head leads me to believe your gun left the factory with these barrels.