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How many guns have you bought and got it home went to the field and fired it and just didn't like it? none wow! that's great you move to the front of the class, you know how to buy firearms. How many other guns are out there that people have spent $10,000 on and just couldn't shoot it? none you don't go out to the club much.How many people send money on there new gun after they get it home. Why are where so many newer used guns for sale? Why so many gun dealers? RBL's are not made to be a high end field gun,they are $2500 little more if you had added the extras.Tony will sell you a high end gun if you are willing to get the money out and you can take you pick! There are gun dealer that have ordered the RBL's for resale only and yes some normal people as well is that so bad? I don't think the ones that are for sale and unfired are being sold because they don't like the way it shoots it's because they had the Idea they were going to sell it for a little cash flow. If they bought it thinking that it was going to be fitted like a $10,000 gun shame on them! I have bought trucks that cost a lot more then $2500 and didn't like it 6 mos later but I keep it anyway because I would never get my money back! With the RBL if you don't like it sell it and move on life is to short to be looking back you will never get ahead! He who make no mistakes makes no new discoverys!

That's pretty funny- I rather like the wood on mine, it does not have a cheek piece (nor was it an option at the time), no ejectors is a big plus in my book, and it cost less than 1/3 of the RBL. But I'd buy an RBL if wanted a new gun. I'd have to shave down those forearms and have it recheckered, but otherwise,they look quite nice. I cannot see why people rag on them so.

Brent

Jack's comment about the AYA #2 effort in cocking follows my experience. If the AYA copied the H&H ejector system faithfully, it makes me wonder why all the seemingly praise/respect/ooo & aaaahs for the H&H ejector system.

Frankly, all the BSS guns I've owned were easier to cock than a AYA. Maybe that's the issue, many designs of ejectors are simply not all that easy to cock because they aren't optimized designs? Having put many tens of thousands of rounds thru BSS guns, I can say I haven't felt a better cocking system in a double for both the hammers and ejectors. Where's that helmet?

. . . and then there's the old historical bugaboo of things that aren't here anymore in any great quantity like hydroscopic paper shells and the fact that the H&H ejector train was likely designed to make sure they blasted out of there even if still a bit of a tight fit after the initial lift. It's funny that the G. T. Garwood "ejectors optional" setscrew in the forend body of an AyA can be tuned not only to prevent ejection but also to damp down the ejection force from the kickers. It's simply an intermediate postion of the screw. Reduces the overall effort of cocking all that sidelock wizardry.

jack

Chuck:

My guess is you might need a reinforced bunker, not just a helmet.

This is off the topic of thread, but how did your Lab recover after the fatal jump? Still doing well in field?

Chicago (Mike)

Could you go into that in more detail?

I doubt if I could, H. I could refrain from getting up at 4AM to engage in humour which misses the mark and I probably will.

jack

Chi-town Mike,
Thanks for the tip about the bunker. Jas' shoulder recovered well and quickly. She's wanting to play with me even now I as type this. Apparently, typing on a computer constitutes ignoring her and makes me open game for her harassment.

However, I noted she began limping again in late Jan. Nothing to slow her down or even noticeable unless she's walking, and then only occasionally. 'been back to the vet several times since. Vet says her front left (opposite the shoulder issue) elbow is the culprit. Xrays last week didn't show much. Vet suspects a common developmental issue with both elbows. She's referred us to a specialist in thsi field. Apparently, one of the best in Calif. CT scan, bone scan, consultation.... it promises to be expensive. Jas is doing extremely well in the field, but the vet says this condition could be degenerative into severe arthritis if not treated.

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That's pretty funny- I rather like the wood on mine, it does not have a cheek piece (nor was it an option at the time), no ejectors is a big plus in my book, and it cost less than 1/3 of the RBL. But I'd buy an RBL if wanted a new gun. I'd have to shave down those forearms and have it recheckered, but otherwise,they look quite nice. I cannot see why people rag on them so.



Brent
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Brent,
I think people "rag on them so" because to some people, the RBL was hyped up just a little too much out of the gate. I think some people are starting to see the light. The RBL is a nice gun, but it isn't more than what it really is, a $2500 gun. Now with that said, you can buy a used shotgun for $2500 that, if made now, would cost you close to $5k to 10k in todays money. With superior fit and finish than any RBL. Thats where my money will go. When the RBL was first announced, I went to the bank, got a money order and was ready to phone in my order to CSMC. That same day I came across one of the prettiest guns I've ever seen, a pristine condition 12 bore Manufrance Ideal with finely executed English style scroll engraving (hand cut), fantastic well figured French walnut stocks, etc. The cost of that gun was $2500. If that Manufrance was made today, there would be no way I could afford a gun of that high quality, were talking a minimum of 5 digit price tag. Another example, I just finished a Cogswell & Harrison project. The Coggie was made in 1908, I had it re-stocked (to my dimensions), the engraving recut, the metal finished, etc. and the total cost was almost identical to a new RBL with a option or two....I think the Coggie is a far superior to the RBL, in looks, handling dynamics, and it comes from a firm with a storied history. The point is, there are better deals out there. But if you want a RBL, go for it and be happy with it!!!!

If you like the wood on your Model 8, fantastic! I'm just saying that Model 8's...even some 47E's came with some very straight grained, plain jane wood. I can care less about ejectors too, I have some guns with them, some guns without them. IMO, its just something else to break eventually.
Have you seen the prices on Model 8's lately? They are going up fast. Check out the Model 8 at the "Collectors Firearms" website. Not much of a price difference from a RBL :-(

Dustin

Chuck: Sorry to hear about Pups elbows. My hunting buddy has a gorgeous Lab with same issues. Dog is about 6 now and still hunts well. With all visits to vet you probably have the dog on glucosamine chondroitin and Ascriptin. If not ask Vet. I use for one of my dogs with moderate displaysia on left hip, and x-rays show early signs of early artriits. He is a setter and shows no signs of either, but he is only 4.