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#387232 12/14/14 10:32 AM
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hi
what does it mean; 'horeshoe' top lever" ?
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I've heard of horse-show bridle locks & best quality cast steel horse-shoe bridle bar locks but not sure on the horse-shoe toplever unless it was cast from the same horse-shoe cast steel? Maybe a marketing tool or an indication of quality of cast horse-shoe type steel for the toplever.

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A quick search of the WWW netted these two images of some Webley with a horse-shoe toplever(maybe the interface of the topelever radius & frame?). Not sure what it means and may need to bring in a Brit.

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from those pictures - i would guess it has to do with the horse shoe shaped area on the breech around the end of the top lever.

notice the notch to allow the lever to move to the side in the bottom pic

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So a deviation on the V-C toplever stop?



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The so called 'horseshoe' top lever was a feature of the P Webley 'Screw Grip' patent and was used extensively on guns supplied to the whole British guntrade, either in the white, fully finished or anything in between.
The only gunmaker's name I have never seen on a 'Horseshoe' Webley is Purdey and that is probably because I haven't looked hard enough!
The 'Horseshoe' is a piece of metal, shaped as per its name, that surrounds the forward end of the fairy normal looking toplever.
It forms the normally visible part of the 'Screw Grip', a method of griping the top surface of a simple top rib extension by use of a threaded toplever shaft turning in a threaded breech block. As the toplever is pushed to the right it rises in the breech so releasing the top extension by virtue of a slot cut in the underside of the horseshoe and, likewise, as the toplever return to the centre position with the barrels closed, it cams down on the top extension to add the 'third bite'.
None of the guns in ellenbr's post are very clear. Hopefully the one below is better.



The gun is a 16b P Webley that I sold a couple of years back.

The part engraved 'WEBLEY PATENT' is the 'Horseshoe' and is separate from the toplever that it surrounds. A common feature is the secondary locking pin.

Interestingly, the 'Horseshoe' toplever was even used when there was no top extension used which just underlines the high regard that Webley's trade actions were held in by the British gun trade.

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Thanks, Toby. Very interesting.

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Here is an earlier thread providing some more details and pictures:
Screw Grip

And this link has some additional information:
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Webley referred to it as a "Grip nut"


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