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A buddy at work has a 10 ga, 32", DT SxS Lady of Spain shotgun he's offered to me at a very attractive price as he knows full well I am a duck hunting fanatic and a sucker for old doubles.
Without having seen it, I'm guessing that it was built pre steel shot, just on how long he has owned it.
I told him I was going to research the name before even coming over to look at it, but so far Google has not given me anything to work with.
Any of you guys know anything about this make of shotgun?
Thanks in advance,
Mergus
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Most likely a variation of Pride of Spain or "POS" as they were known.
A bad reputation for soft steel innards and heavy triggers. The goods news is that they can be bought cheap, the bad news is that they are built cheap.
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Send Kyrie a PM. There's a myriad of builders in Spain. And most were very small shops.
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Mergus,
Back in the day (mostly the 1950s and 1960s) any number of large and small US firearm retailers ordered low cost box lock SxS shotguns from Spain and sold those guns here in the USA. These guns were generally well made, durable, working man’s guns. Today such guns come up for sale regularly on sites like Gun Broker.
Some number of these Spanish made, US retailed, shotguns were 10 gauge guns and the gun you are considering is one such.
“Lady of Spain” is a model name made up by the US retailer, and it conveys no information on who made the gun or the price point to which the gun was made. To determine the maker and estimate the original price point we need good, clear, photos of the markings on the barrel flats and water table, and of the extent and type of engraving on the action.
About the only thing we can say about this gun, at the moment, is that it predates steel shot and anyone who uses steel shot in it does so at his own risk.
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Most likely a variation of Pride of Spain or "POS" as they were known.
A bad reputation for soft steel innards and heavy triggers. The goods news is that they can be bought cheap, the bad news is that they are built cheap.
+1. If the gun is a clone or sister to POS then I'd be careful. I had a friend who had a 10ga POS in the pre steel shot days. Looked nice on the outside, but crap on the inside. He used it once, fired fine for a couple shots, then nothing. Took it to a gunsmith and the firing pins were mushroomed. The internal parts were crudely finished and you could almost bend them by hand. My buddy is also a machinist who was shocked by the lack of finish and parts hardening. I'd have the gun checked out prior to putting any cash on the table. As to steel shot, 10ga guns of this period were choked Full/Full way to tight for steel. Good Luck! Greg
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Yes, as Kyrie has said, you need to provide some more info to try and determine the maker and quality level. There were Spanish guns from back in the 60's to the 80's that were very good guns for the cost/value. Others not so much.
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Thanks for all of your replies. Now my curiosity is up. I'll get ahold of it and take some pics of the water table and barrel flats....
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Yes, as Kyrie has said, you need to provide some more info to try and determine the maker and quality level. There were Spanish guns from back in the 60's to the 80's that were very good guns for the cost/value. Others not so much. Just so. This is the late Col Charles Askins' Spanish 10 gauge (made for him by AyA). This is what a top price point gun may look like: http://s295.photobucket.com/user/Kyrie_Ellison/slideshow/A_Temp/Col%20Charles%20Askins?sort=3
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Wow.....In concept, THAT is my grail gun, a nice heavy waterfowing piece that is beautiful and late season, diver worthy.
A 10 ga boxlock with chrome bores and imp cyl chokes, DT, a rising bird pattern, and a soft recoil pad. Those are the particulars of my grail gun.
Thanks for the link...:)
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At least in 1971 the POS were not offered in 10g  The AYA Matador was.
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