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Okay has anyone heard of double triggers you can pull frt twice like a single trigger gun and right barrel fires first then left.and if pull rear twice fires left barrel then right.so it can be a single trigger gun or double.it on my browning belgium boxlock sxs 20ga

I have a 4 digit serial # Browning that my father bought in 1932. This gun, according to my father, had two triggers when new and if you pulled the rear trigger it fired the top barrel; pulling the trigger again fired the bottom barrel. He said the trigger became confused and he returned the gun and a single selective trigger was installed. The old trigger guard was used as there is a mark on the inside of the trigger guard indicating the position of the rear trigger.

Thus such a trigger was available on early Brownings and I would assume that it was likely used on sxs guns.

jlb

BRNO also has a double/double trigger
ZH-301 and others

Mike

anybody else have any insight on this best of both worlds. you think factory or was single trigger to start and converted to double

You could order a Darne with a double trigger that the forward trigger will fire both barrels, open choke first, then tighter choke.
Dick has one on his 16 gauge. It is the only one I ever imported.
I say "could" but, you can't actually order a Darne anymore. There is no importer.

Best,
Ted

The Dakota Legend had a double single trigger available.

Laurona is an off brand Spanish import that frequently had double/single triggers. I have two, but they are both over/unders. Mine are set by recoil, and when I had the action reblacked on one the gunsmith who took it apart said they were not overly complicated, or difficult to work with.
I honestly don't know why that setup isn't more popular. Just grab the trigger for the choke you want first and pull again for the second barrel.
CHAZ

For no particular reason here is a picture of one of the guns in question. A set with 20 gauge and 12 gauge barrels on the same frame.

If my memory serves, the universal triggers (UT) design was first suggested by Horatio Philips, the notorious gun editor of The Field in the last decades of XIX century (he also invented the Vena Contracta. What a guy!).

The list of makers that tried it includes two Russian makers, TsKIB SOO and IzhMech (Baikal). TsKIB made a few of their MTs-11 (Beesley patent self-opener) in early 1960s, and Baikal tried it twice, with Izh-59 over/under also in 1950s and with Izh-43 (aka Stevens 411 aka Remington Spartan 2xx) in mid-1980s. In all instances after a short trial the idea was abandoned?

At the first glance UT like a winner: all advantages of ST and DT in one gun! Well, not quite. You don't get the biggest advantage of ST: uniformity of handling. UT still has two triggers, and requires adapting the grab of the rear hand for the rear trigger.

What's worse, UT also combines all disadvantages of ST and DT. From the ST, it inherits greater sophistication and, consequently, lower reliability. From DT - a chance of confusion between the triggers (if you've never pulled the trigger of the wrong barrel, you've never shot a double with DT).

But the real problem with the UT is that the disadvantages of ST and UT are multiplied. Two single triggers are statistically twice as likely to fail as one ST. And while with DT you have two possible sequences of trigger operation, with UT you have four! Terminator could've handled that, but for a human mind in the Zeitnot of shooting flying it's too much.

I also had one of those "twin single" Laurona OU's.

Good post, HD, but the above statement is somewhat of a revelation to me. I have shot two-triggered doubles for 54 years, and never did this. Moreover, I have hunted and shot sporting clays with others who were shooting DT guns and, again, never saw this occur.

I shoot several DT guns and several ST guns. I can swap between them with equal dexterity and never even give it a thought. What I mean is, it does not require a conscious effort to remember which type I am shooting, and there is never any confusion. There are many of my friends who shoot DT doubles that admit to having a bit of a problem shooting the rear trigger first, then going to the front with dexterity, but I don't.

Maybe some of us are wired differently or something. My dexterity with triggers certainly doesn't translate into superiority at breaking targets or hitting birds! I can miss them all with either type trigger arrangement, very handily!

All my best, SRH