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  New gun to me. I have never seen those pins before. I would guess loaded chamber indicators? And yes, there are firing pins in those holes.
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Mine has them as well. they are loaded chamber indicators. When a shell is in the chamber the pins are pushed back and an indicator pin protrudes from the back of the breech balls.
On yours its hidden in the engraving.
Nice gun, do you have the retractable sling and swamped rib too?
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Would be interested in seeing more of your gun. Do you know the grade level or model number? They switched from grade levels to model numbers in 1931. From the serial number I'm guessing a mid 1920's gun so likely identified by grade. (I'm guessing 1926)
Nice to see that it appears the wood along the top tang hasn't been buggered by NA smiths who don't know how to remove the stock. All too often the case with Ideals that have resided for any length of time in the US or Canada.
I own a Grade 6R EE Excelsior in 12 gauge from around 1920.
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Yes, it has the swamped rib and the retractable sling is in pretty good shape. I date the gun around 1925. The barrels are 27 3/8""
I am leaving in the morning for Hausmann's event in PA so when I get back I have more pictures including the barrel flats and the markings there.
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I just found the number. It is a 6. Hard to read. There is an "N" above it and to the left.
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Sorry for the questions Builder. I like to follow these guns. Did it come out of Texas, BTW?
The N to the left stands for Number...as in a Number 6 grade. For the life of me I can't find my Ideal book.
Is it an extractor or ejector gun? Grade 6 or higher (or the numerical equivalent) is pretty rare over on this side of the pond.
If you have found the number and it is engraved on the through lump you likely have an extractor gun. But not for sure.
How many palms (actually laurels) are marked on the barrel flats? If it is a grade 6 gun there are likely 5 palms or possibly 4.
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It is an extractor gun with five palms. Pictures next week. it was purchased via an auction so I don't know where it came out of. The number 6 is on the through lump showing on the bottom of the gun. The wood is not highly figured and has a white line butt plate. the white line is slightly bigger than the butt plate so I assume someone found one and stuck it between the wood and the hard butt plate.
Can you tell me what the palms represent?
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Not the Texas gun I was thinking of but the white line spacer is ringing a bell.
The palms represent the quality of the barrels. One is the lowest, five is the highest. Theoretically I understand they went up to 7 but Ive never seen anything over 5 palms.
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Your gun was built in 1927. It is not correct to refer to them in "grades." My favorites are from the mid 20's, and as has been noted, yours has escaped the typical uninformed disassembly of an Ideal, evidenced by damage to the inletting around the top strap. Also already noted is the quality of the steel of the barrels, and level of proof, indicated by wreaths of laurel leaves, not "palms." Actually , the lowest grade of barrels is no wreaths, up to, as has been stated, five in practice, seven or so in theory. I have seen a lot of La Manu barrels of high end examples, but never a set with more than five wreaths. Your tubes should be marked in mm just before the barrel flats with the finished bore size. This makes it very simple to determine if the bores have been honed, Fantastic, under appreciated guns.
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