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At 85/1000 I’ll pass. That’s 30/1000 more than I over pay for cheddite primers.

I've been using NSI 688 with perfect satisfaction. 10,000 primers fired so far, zero misfires. I have found 3 in the primer feed tray that did not have the green cover on the flash hole, so those were not used.

They do not pierce in my Brownings like Cheddites do, and they reliably light ball powders unlike Fiocchi 616.

My last 10K carton was $459 from a vendor at the state shoot.

I hope Winchester goes broke.

Brownells is selling Win209s for $70/1000, but they are also selling Cheddites for $50/1000. I find Cheddites work perfectly. I'm done with Win209s until they come down to Cheddite prices.

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I have 2-4 yrs of hunting ammo loaded. Probably closer to 4. But trap ammo, I have only about 2 yrs, maybe. I will stockpile a few more years' worth to be comfortable.

Perforated primers run with damaged firing pin(s). Every gun of mine that perfs, plus all I've examined at the club, showed pin damage at the time perfs were first noticed. Possibly, Cheddites give perforations prior to the development of pin damage. But I have yet to see it.

Conversely, I have seen damaged pins on guns that do not (yet) perforate Cheddites.

Cheddite anvils are longer than those on domestic primers. Don Rackley sets Perazzi firing pin protrusion in accordance with specified primer (ie., anvil length).

Having just replaced the pins on my P-stick, and needing to do same to the ASE, I'm done with Cheddites in those. Our 391s are immune, pins look brand new, so loads are segregated by primer.

Winchesters and STS are more expensive than Cheddites, but worth it IMO.

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I gave the Cheddites a go when they started importing them years ago. I recall a friend of mine mentioning "if you got a gun with a light firring pin strike Cheddites would be a good choice to help with reliability". He said this because his A5 would double using those primers. I found out how sensitive they are when one went off in my Ponsness Warren 800C press. No other primer ever did that in that press. I noticed that many of them would have black firring pin indents. I've seen that before with other primers but not to the extent that Cheddites did. I just considered it an annoyance and continued to use them never having any detrimental mishap. One day halfway around the sporting clay course I shot at a target and heard the report and a pop sound near my face. The pop sound was the far side of the stock on my RBL blowing out and falling to the ground. Since the RBL is a box lock, you have space between the parts to accumulate gas from a pierced primer. Can you imagine the effect of say 50+ PSI instantly in that space? Now I know why they put gas relief holes on European doubles! I've always preferred to use WW 209's but the cheaper price got me. If that had happened on a Rem 1100 or many other repeaters there would be no issue but not on a box lock. Makes a lot of sense in what Mr Hoggson said about the anvil length being longer, sounds like that could be the problem. Another issue with Cheddites is the larger diameter. After you use them in your favorite hull you will have to use them or other European primers. American primers will fall out if you try and go back. I have a good supply of the old WW AA compression formed hulls and only use American primers in them for that reason. So my friends be careful with Cheddites in your SxS's. Ballistic Products has them very attractively priced but I'll pass. I stopped using them because of my mishap but I guess I could like them again if I could not get American primers.

Tanky, Cheddites have changed. They will not affect your ability to return to Win 209s or any other primer.

$50/1000 at Brownells