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They were for us too! But the entry they had in the ledger was for another very different gun. So Raimey is correct. It's not something they logged one way or another.
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I just don't think it will be in their ledger, but I hope I am mistaken. So this smokepole will be judged solely on its own merit - a Delcour DuPont sideplated A&D Boxlock, possibly retailed in Vienna by J. Springer, which might add couple $100 to someone knowledgeable or smitten¿ I agree on the tumult of the region likely adding to the oddity of the gun and can absolutely see them trying to stay afloat by offering lower end guns... and at the same time not putting them in the ledger. Or... for that matter... someone else might have simply decided to stamp it themselves and retail it somewhere completely unrelated! I'll have to get a photo of the top of the barrels... but the stamp up top is not well done, light and off center. It doesn't match the quality or depth of the rest of the markings. Also interesting is that it doesn't say Joh. Springer Erben or even Joh. Springer. But simply "J. Springer" It is in nice shape and would make a nice gun to carry after quail or the like with loads from RST or Polywad. The dimensions are decent and I bet that your pricing is spot on. When it sells I'll post the result here just to close out the string for the next fellow. Thanks to all of you for your help on this one. I learned a lot and that's what I love about playing around in this particular sandbox. Thanks Shane
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We would very much like to hear the realized price.
I do have it on good authority that the sporting weapon is indeed a JSE(Springer) retailed one, and more than likely to fill an order. JSE preferred the wares of A. Francotte & perhaps his ship was overloaded @ the time of the order. In Europe, it is just seen as a JABC. Across the Austro-Hungarian Empire at hamlets like Tisza St. Imre, Hungary or Nikitsch, Austria, it would fetch little but hopefully a Springer aficionado with a penchant for the period will snap it up?
Last, there might, might be some clues on the backside of the sideplates that establish a maker. In the end, it is what it is, a piece from the Golden Era of Gunning, crafted in subset difficult period of survival.
Serbus,
Raimey
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And if you have the slightest interest in similar sporting weapons from a similar period, albeit from the end of the 2nd Major Disagreement in Europe while the treatment wasn't any less severe in some instances. Purportedly, the Russian would hold the German mechanics in a cellar & beat them with a rubber hose @ least once a week just for good measure..... >>Very unique, and I for one would say rare, Ferlacher by Boštjan Borovnik. When the Germans invaded Austria in the Spring of 1938(March I think), they tried to force Ferlach makers to hire German mechanics. Boštjan Borovnik refused & refused being loyal to his roots and he received beating after beating until 1942 when the occupying Germans decided that Boštjan Borovnik wasn't going to break so they rounded up he, his son & to other kids along with his wife & sent them to a Work Camp. The occupying Brits released him in early 1945 and by July Boštjan Borovnik and his family was back in Ferlach where he, and his son, filed for reparations. His son was attending the Ferlacher Gunsmith School when they were rounded up & he filed and received some type of compenstation. Boštjan Borovnik lived till 1949 and this longarm was completed in 1946 for a British Officer, who would have purchased this @ a Collection / Selling Point in the centre of Ferlach.<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...ords=borovnik&Search=true#Post647776Yes, I thoroughly enjoy the above smokepole & will press it into use very soon.... Serbus, Raimey rse
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It looks like it has ejectors and has the hinge pin covers that come off and you are able to unscrew the hinge pin or rotate it and then stake it with the screw that goes through the receiver shown in the first of the last three pictures. I'm guessing it might even have side clips.
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There is of course one opinion I would chase & that is of Mr. Felix Neuberger, if indeed he is still with us. I will try to raise him in an effort to obtain some answers. Dear Raimey: did you succeed, and is Felix - hopefully - still among us? Carcano
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Ah, I typically succeed but I don't recall on this one. Indeed, Mr. Felix Neuberger is doing very well for his age & stokin' his wood stove with pellets, I would say, due to the Russian Gas Issue. He still likes to hunt Hares, but almost all of his Hare Hunting buddies have moved on to the Happy Hunting Grounds. Mr. Neuberger has had some fatal computer issues this past year and until recent months hasn't been on the WWW.
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