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PhysDoc #661069 05/25/25 02:58 PM
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Why do you think it would be a .35 Whelen, instead of the ORIGINAL 9mm M/88 (= 9x63 mm), for which Haenels were indeed chambered ?!

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I load and shoot 35 Whelen in it and the fired cases come out as ,,,35 Whelen.
Are the 2 the same specs?

I will look again at the orig bbl markings on the underside again when I get a chance and see what it says.

The guy gave me a box of 9.3x62 ammo with it as well while saying the rifle was rechambered in 35Whelen.

Alot to said about drinking and guns I guess

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Kutter,
I had 4 of the 1904 Paraguay Naval cadet military rifles, three of which came from the same 1960s retired gun dealer and were missing the bolt head (with front part of firing pin). The fourth came from a college friend and is complete. All are 7x57. I sent one of the actions to someone that wanted to study it and was interested in buying it. To make a long story short, I never got the action back. Consequently, I have the (uncut) stock with most of the hardware left, and it may meet your needs. PM me and let me know what you think. Be advised that all of them were in rough shape but, except for bolt heads were pretty much complete.
Mike

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Originally Posted by Kutter
I load and shoot 35 Whelen in it and the fired cases come out as ,,,35 Whelen.
Are the 2 the same specs?
I will look again at the orig bbl markings on the underside again when I get a chance and see what it says.

Almost. You see, the 9mm M/88 (9x63mm) was directly derived from the 8mm M/88 rimless (also known as 8x57 I), and was somewhat famous as the "Florstedt-Patrone". It also had distinctly higher pressure than the mild 9x57mm Mauser, and back then was exalted as a "long-range hunting cartridge". Alexander Florstedt was quite a boastful guy, a colourful scribe, and a arrogantly chauvinist macho to boot, but that was the time... there might be listed more than one US gunwriter who could fit a comparable description.

Whereas the .35 Whelen was derived by T.W. wildcatting-wise, from the .30-06 (in Germany called 7,62x63mm), which was derived from the .30-03, which itself was originally derived from the 8x57 I, because US ammo producers needed the extra case capacity with the propellants that back then in the .30-03 they only had at their disposition.

Depending upon how the chambers were cut by the makers, one cartridge might indeed be exchangeable with the other or not, in one specific gun; there was no normalization.

Carcano

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