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British Proof Marks published by Diggory Hadoke, "Vintage Guns for the Modern Shot", 2008

The circled tower with the flag is a Scott trade mark. Definitely a higher grade gun, but not a Premiere, as that would be marked on it.

Nice platform for a restoration project. Sounds like you already understand that the barrels need attention and a professional assesment. The original rib was probably a flat, filed rib based on others I have observed.

Thanks Matt. Should have known that This pic is in my files



Scott 'winged bullet' post-1897

Thanks pacomb,

The serial numbers are listed by year in Volume 2 of Nigel Brown “British Gunmakers”.

Drew, whilst the Tower was certainly a Scott trademark the winged bullet was Webley’s.
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There is another valuable source of information available to you right here onDouble gunshop. Here is how to access it:
1. Go to the Doublegunshop Home page.
2. scroll down to " OTHER uSEFUL SOURCES OF information right under the photo of the Blue Book.
3. click on that link. you will see" High Grade shotguns dates of production. Not all makes are included, but W& C Scott is. And knowing your gun's serial number will tell you when it was made.
To answer an earlier question, for a thin volume, the book on Scotts does contain a lot of photos, and you may very well be able to determine which model you have. Good hunting!

larry beat me to the information referenced about dates, and docdrew did the honors with the very useful english proofs summary from diggory....the left side is the london proofhouse marks, and the right side are those of the birmingham house - your gun was proofed in b'ham, and as noted the original english proofs are those used 1896-1904 - so focus on those

on your 1st photo with the colored highlighting; the red marked symbols are the 2nd one shown (reading left to right), they are your basic proof, and are usually heavily stamped and so appear as a smudged mark.
and the green marked ones are the crossed halyards that are the 3rd & 4th symbols, one is the view mark and the other tells who did the inspection, and they are small enough to be hard to read.
the blue marks are exactly as you interpreted them.
the black marks tell that the barrels both had .008" constriction of choke - or MORE - they do not measure the choke, simply tell there is choke present.

on your 3rd photo with the colored highlighting; as matt notes, the tower is the scott's trademark - your gun is very close to the amalgamation of scott & webley in 1898, after which time there were some guns marked as scott's and some marked as webley's - i have a 1902 gun that is purely a webley, but has scott's name/address/and tower marks, along with the webley flying bullet marks - your yellow highlighted mark is not legible to me, but where it is located it is likely to be a patent reference....and i suspect it may regard the "improved scott's square bolt" top lock, which came into use around that time.

Jmho, and I don't know what your intentions are, but you need to be very careful with doing a full restoration on this piece, very plain wood for such a high-grade gun, not to mention the shape it's in. I have an Iver Johnson Champion with nicer wood. Easy to get pretty deep into your pockets with this gun and still have something that's not very nice. Also, it appears to have fairly high dimensions, which may be unsuitable fit for you.
JR

have done a little research, and will go out on the proverbial limb and say that it is some variant of the "monte carlo" pigeon gun...am basing that on similarities to this gun currently offered on gunsinternational;

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...nte-carlo-a-ejector.cfm?gun_id=103159291

lock pins conform, and basic shape of bars also - many differences in shaping final details, and i have had a recent education regarding the multitude of such changes that were available thru scott/webley.
most folks are familiar with only the monte carlo B, with it's bird on each lockplate - but there is an A as well. i have also learned that for a brief period in the earliest production there was a monte carlo with no A or B...i've owned one of those 40 years.
my 1892 gun is identified by a legend on the rib, and my 1902 gun is like the example i have linked - the identification is located atop the tubes. both those locations have been removed from your gun - and i would say that it has been hot blued, and that insult likely included the barrel set....which would explain their poor condition.

and, i would echo jr's wise advice...this gun is pretty far gone, and would be very costly to try to return to any degree of quality.

Found a Webley & Scott 1914 catalog. W&C Scott & Sons were listed separately starting p. 6
https://huntershouse.dk/files/webley-scoot/webley-scott-katalog.pdf



Note the Monte Carlo B now has 'Webley Special Steel'

The gun in post above with the Webley 'Winged Bullet' is listed as a W&C Scott

I don't unfortunately have the date of this catalog, but very likely pre-1897 merger with Webley



Note now offered with Damascus, Scott's Special Steel, or Whitworth