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Pictures from James. These are before pictures, obviously, and I’ll let you know right now, this gun is way outside my wheelhouse. ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/nqdcNkWd/IMG-0967.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/xk5QRkH/IMG-0968.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/5gqKwmyQ/IMG-0969.jpg) Best, Ted
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James emailed me the following, which actually brought a chuckle:
“This Sauer was also in horrible condition but it had provenance in an old New Orleans German family. Had it not been of such sentimental value to the family it should have been used for a trot line weight.
As remembered, all parts but the screws and leather covered pad are original. The wood is also original. The forend latch had to be filed down to mate properly to the wood when the wood was reclaimed. The same went for the action tang. It prevents the metal from standing proud.
It is of no matter when the metal is lowered like that as it must be annealed, filed, polished, and re-engraved anyway.
The owner was quite happy when he got it back”.
So ends James’ input.
My thoughts.
I was actually thinking I’m not much of a hammer gun guy, not much of a German gun guy, but, figured there must be a different angle on why this restoration was thrown at this gun.
Best, Ted
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looks to be a fairly late Modell 4 - i have a functionally identical Modell 3, 16 gauge - also has the "wildman" in a silvered oval, inset into the exposed forward lug, have wondered about the significance of that detail.
mine has much more modest engraving...and certainly ain't as purty as this gun - another grand display of james' skills.
thank you for sharing.
Last edited by graybeardtmm3; 11/12/25 03:41 PM.
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James, how do you get the guns back and forth between you and CJO and Dawe?
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Please excuse me Eightbore but I don't know what CJO and Dawe are.
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James, I am curious about what bluing method you used for the trigger guard on the Westley Richards? The transformation of both guns is remarkable. Your dedication to turning out only top quality work is very evident. Thanks for sharing it with us. Please excuse me Eightbore but I don't know what CJO and Dawe are. CJO and Dawe are two very talented Canadian gunsmiths who are also members here. I think Chris Dawe is mainly a stocker, and an outstanding one at that... but I could be mistaken. I understand CJO is not a professional gunsmith, but his restoration work is amazing, and something I'm sure you would admire. I'm not sure how there was some misunderstanding concerning guns moving back and forth between you and them.
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What is the line that we see on the lockplate going upwards from the bottom edge, just forward of the hammer and just aft of the big lock plate screw (pin)? It resembles the joint on a two-piece sideplate, as on some guns, but we can't see if it continues to the top edge of the lockplate.
Top notch workmanship, James!
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Keith,
That is charcoal bluing.
Stanton,
The lock plate has an extension on it that has the hole for the lock screw. If you can magnify the picture you can see where the joint takes a right hand turn at seven o'clock into the circle around the screw head. If you look at ten o'clock on the trim you can see the joint coming from under the hammer. The circular joint is masked by the engraving. It is a semi island lock.
I hope that helps. Thanks for the compliment.
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Graybeard, I forgot what type of action it is but I asked the owner and he said A&D.
John, you are right. I worded the sentence poorly. The gun was one of the very worst to work on. I guess another terrible wreck was an old LC Smith than had been left in a barn for many years. When I handed the owner a new Smith back, he asked couldn't I blue the action better than that. Oh well.
I certainly don't mean to offend CJO and Dawe but I live in a very small world and perhaps too provincial.
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