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https://www.gunboards.com/threads/b-blindee-and-belgian-proofed-mauser-receiver-based-gun.1245773/

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Just as a side-note, the actual meaning of Belgian marks/stamps have a time varying definition and evolved over time. The above was a direct result of the 1891 German Law and under Belgian decree of July 11th, 1893 the mark was to denote a reinforced proof of the tubes of percussion lock & breechloaders in a effort to facilitate the export / import of Belgian Tubes to Germany. It became the mark for all breechloaders proofed w/ a reinforced black-powder proof.

It is possible that the Germans made One or Two guns without any Belgian contributions, but the vast majority of German Guns utilizes Belgian components. Germany should have made Liège a German Satellite Stamping Station, or did they¿¿¿


Serbus,


Raimey
rse

That would have been August 5, 1914

Sorry, I didn't understand the rest of the discussion.

How 'bout >>Semi-Smokeless Express<<???

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, thanks. I think I understand the question.

Yeah, just a Red Herring in defining what smokeless powder was & when?? Basically when was what was called smokeless powder actually Smokeless Powder or Nitro Powder as you put it.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

With a scant bit of fleeting time around the Holidays, I was re-reading references on the Belgian Proof Law & >>B. Blindée<< and its sister stamp >>B. Plomb<< were used since July 8th, 1910 but truly wasn't officially adopted / recognized until the 1924 Proof Laws.

Now scattergun pressure or tubes for shot, there exists quite a bit of info on proof pressure but for solid projectiles, info in lacking. The Board of Administration set the tone for breechloaders of Military Calibre and the Direktor of the Poof House established or cobbled together a Table for ball & powder. I would think that early on the Belgians followed the Brit's Table but soon they followed the German's pressures as the Germans were their main clients. I will search & try to find said tables.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Too, I would hedge my bets that the use of the >>B. Blindée<< stamp, etal, was due to the fact that the Germans were about to have a rules change in 1911/1912.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

There is information about charges, but none regarding pressures here
“Report by Consul Robertson on the Manufacture of Fire-Arms in the District of Verviers and Liege – (1853) Rules of the Proof House, Gun-Proof Establishment at Liege, Belgium”, 1885
https://books.google.com/books?id=7EhJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA132&lpg

Banc D'Epreuves Des Armes a Feu De Liege, 1906
https://books.google.com/books?id=5fxGAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA53&lpg

I haven't found shotgun pressures referenced until the 1924 revisions.