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I purchased a relatively plain but decent Charles Daly Lindner SBT in the G&D auction last Thursday. The serial number is in the 231X range.I have somewhat kept up with the serial number issue on this board, but haven't seen a lot about the SBT serial numbers. First off, is it correct to assume that they have numbers common to all other models? The gun I purchased was listed as having the HAL and crossed pistol marking, so I presume it is in the second serial number range. I presume this is a redundant question, since the long thread several years ago seems to indicate that, catalog listings not withstanding, the first models seemed to appear around 1908 (the advertisement shown speaks of a "new 1908 ventilated rib model" and was dated consistent with that). Based on that, I am presuming that all SBT's are secondseries guns.

I wondered if anyone has an idea as to where this might roughly fall as to date. If the new serial range started circa 1892 and only a few thousand were made, I would presume it was made toward the latter end of the range, but I have no idea as to how production was affected by the war post 1914. I know all the SBT makers were pushing production at the end of the 1910's so I had always suspected that there was a flurry of building early but a huge drop during the last years of production. Any guess would be appreciated.

https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=542969

I will have to dig a bit but I believe the above will get you started or @ least band the date range??


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

If you could pleasure us w/ some fotos, or forward them to me & I will kindly post them, and we might be able to narrow the date range. If, if it wears the Lindner DRGM that would put a 3 year halo on it.



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I will have the gun in a couple of weeks. However, I followed the link you gave, then jumped through two more and arrived at one of Ken's articles on the GGCA site concerning the Daly SBT's. The catalog he showed from around 1914 had an illustration of the 165 and 265 models and based on the auction pictures this is without doubt a Model 165. It has the correct Linder HAL and crossed pistol logos for this period. In the writeup he stated that ties were cut off with Linder after 2016 due to WWI and that Linder did not provide SBT's after the war. He also stated that all the known Linder SBT's were serial numbered between 2000 and the low 2600's. Since this gun has a 23xx serial number I would suspect it was made about halfway through the period 1914.

Interestingly enough I purchased a Francotte in the same auction and it was made in almost the same year.

Yeah, possibly before 1916(not 2016); maybe in 1915 when his only son & heir, Ernst Lindner, fell in fierce fighting w/ the Brits in June 1915. With the huge loss & the gravity of the situation, I would say H.A. Lindner put things in final form pretty quick. It may have taken him a year to fill orders and to find subcontractors / mechanics to do the work.

http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/2024/vl_rir-248_wk1.html


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Joseph Gales of Schoverling, Daly & Gales expired almost a year later on June 3rd, 1916 Direktor Frederic J. Wilbur passed sometime in 1914, so the Schoverling, Daly & Gales - Lindner Train is coming to an Abrupt Halt as coupled w/WWI, it is the Perfekt Storm that prompts the sound of the Death Knell for Lindner - Daly.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I saw that one. Real nice.