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To add a bit of levity……. I reckon a fellows forward hand is resolved to one location….. should he be shooting a pump!😏

yawn...

Our mental midget misses a lot, usually intentionally, so it it can vomit insults, name calling and invective at people it has never met, but wants to hate, so it can feel better about itself.

I can't imagine being like that.

You will also notice that he is displaying a very modern gun mount and straight comb stock. My, my, my !


And, as usual, EG displays his formidable wealth of misinformation. I often wonder why he is entertained and encouraged.

Stan, (or anyone who knows,) this is something kinda rare on this site - an honest question. 😄 I really don't know the answer to this, and you probably do. How do you reconcile Oswald's advice with SxS shotguns that have very small splinter forearms?

I have been told that the only proper way to grip a SxS is with the straight left arm style, and that means the hand is on the barrels. The only purpose of the forearm is to hold the barrels together, and you use a glove to keep your hand from getting burned.

I have seriously tried this method and can't make it work at all. I do much better with a 90 degree elbow, and that is one of the reasons I like a beaver tail forearm - it gives me something substantial to grip and I can live with some calling it an abomination.

But I can't deny that a lot of fine SxS guns have such a small forearm that this method just doesn't work, and it's something I have wondered about.

case in point...

recently, a mintly looking w&c scott hammer gun came into my hands...

this is an 1884 vintage 12 gauge gun that has been sleeved with fluid steel barrels...

the lop is 13 3/4 inches. drops are 2 and 3 1/4 inches...

when placing my leading hand mid way on the forend, I am looking at the back of the frame...

by placing my leading hand in front of the trigger guard, I am looking down the top rib...

similarly, as described by an airline pilots view of the run way....

from my perspective, this is the perfect view for accurate shooting...

no alterations to the gun were performed...

all I did was move my leading as far back as I could, without engaging the trigger guard..

#1 This is called confirmation bias ed (or a rigged experiment). You successfully proved what you intended to prove.

#2 There CAN BE a change in cheek position with changing leading arm position. Leading hand just in front of the trigger guard forces the head forward, raising the eye and as if by magic you are now looking down the rib. How much is highly dependent on one's cheek weld, or lack thereof if the head is lightly in contact with the comb.
Do you believe you can reproduce that mount and comfortably swing the gun with your hand in that position?

BTW what most U.S. shooters did, unlike the Brits, was to crawl the stock to compensate for 3" DAH





Note the leading arm position of both

doc, I only report what works for me...

I simply adjusted my hold to provide a preferred shooting image...

a longer length of pull, 14 1/2, with drops of 1 1/2 and 2 1/2, would result in my leading hand being roughly mid way on the forend...

not understanding why you find this technique of fitting myself to the gun, as being so difficult to accept...

It's pretty easy for me. I shoot several S X S shotguns with small splinter forearms, but they are only used for hunting, where the concern about hot barrels isn't there. I just don't shoot much high volume when hunting. When the splinter forearm is so short that I would have to alter my hand placement I just hold the barrels ahead of it, or wherever my hand needs to be to not alter how I normally place my forehand. When the possibility is there for a few fast flurries on some field, I try to take a gun with a forearm of sufficient length to help with the hot barrel issue, or in the late season I have on gloves.

For clay shooting with a S X S I manage fine even with little splinters. I let the forearm lie in my curled palm (a couple of the pics below show how my forehand fingers are not even gripping the forearm even though it is a target style with lots of meat. I slowly close my fingers as I say pull, and hear the trap fire, with just enough grip to swing the gun. I just don't feel the need to strangle the forearm or barrels, and find that I shoot better with that sort of a relaxed grip.

I may use a glove on my forehand when shooting a .410 S X S on a round of sporting clays, because those tiny barrels can get really hot, but I never alter my forehand placement. Consistency in shotgunning is paramount to success, and consistent forehand placement is a big part of that, IMO.

This is the only pic I can find of me about to call for a bird, taken by a commercial photographer at the GA State Sporting Clays Championship a few years ago. I wasn't shooting a S X S, but my Perazzi MX8, a 9 lb. gun with 31 1/2" barrels, but great handling characteristics. I post this so you can see where my forehand is placed on the forearm. He actually took a series of three quick shots in succession. I'm posting the other two because they show something else that I have tried to explain on this forum many times . . . . how easy it is to trap the empties in your hand as they are ejected from the gun, then toss them in a trash can or place them in your shell bag or pocket.