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been using Google ai for shotgun facts look up...

it is absolutely amazing...

try it...

ask it your most obscure doublegun fact detail...

you will be amazed...

let us know if you stump it...

It mostly used this sites info when I looked up details on obscure double guns.

Exacty Jtplumb. To start with, there isn't a >>True<< AI just yet. All these search engines do is correlate data from the internet & extract what seems accurate many times by the validity of the Poster, as far as info from BBSs go. Nothing more than a Sorter; but a ultra fast sorter indeed. If the info isn't on a sever somewhere, AI cannot disseminate anything.


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well den, try to stump hit...

an den let us no...

ifn you duze...

Fascinating ed. I asked Google AI what language you are using and it is "English, written in a heavy phonetic folk dialect or broken/slang spelling" often used to "indicate a character (who) speaks in a colloquial or uneducated way, often for comic effect."
Not helpful and not entertaining ed, except to you.

AI is often wrong. Just for kicks I asked it how long I should wait after spraying Clethodim on peanuts, before spraying for broadleaf weeds. It said wait at least 7 days for best effectiveness. Actual needed wait time is 24 hours.

It only missed it by 6 days.

Knock yourself out, Ed.

Ed, ask Google A.I. this simple question: "are small bore Ithaca Flues shotgun frames prone to cracking?".

You will get a response based largely upon the hysterical exaggerations posted over and over right here on DoubleGunShop.com by the Preacher and others... Of course, the same B.S. has also been repeated on other Internet forums.

So his intentionally insulting response to your dialect is pretty sad in comparison to acting like a "shotgun expert" who has repeatedly disseminated false and incorrect information that then gets repeated. Your dialect is harmless and far less dangerous than gun owners who support anti-gun Democrats. It isn't frightening people or reducing the value of any brand or model of guns.

The Google A.I. response totally ignores the fact that roughly a quarter of a million Flues guns were built, and the vast majority handled just about any factory loaded smokeless ammo that was put through them without any damage to their frames. They have collectively fired millions of rounds that are higher in both pressure and recoil than what is frequently recommended for vintage double shotguns. The number that have actually cracked is a very tiny fraction of the total built. And it appears that the majority of those that did crack were severely abused, subjected to doubling, very heavy loads, etc.

In addition, it appears extremely unlikely that the Preacher and other "Chicken Littles" who created this false premise will ever Post the facts and truth for Google A.I. to find... i.e., that the Flues was often built as a very lightweight double that works perfectly well with reasonable loads, and has been doing so for nearly a century. But like any mechanical device, may suffer damage if abused. In other words, you shouldn't use a lightweight road racing bicycle as an off-road mountain bike, and you shouldn't use an El Camino for rock climbing, and then call them inherently defective when they break.

So as it stands right now, Google A.I. and other A.I. platforms remain unable to yet sort the wheat from the chaff. When Garbage dominates the available information stored in Search Engine servers, it's still a matter of "Garbage in--- Garbage out."

betcha, ifn ah were to say...

sliced white bread tastes pretty good...

you jokers would say back...

nah, hit ain't cornbread...

i think the slang should be called white jive.
it has french roots.
lil abner was discontinued long ago. newspaper readers didnt want to be associated with poverty, in the new improving world.
but boy oh boy. something went wrong along the way these days!

Trying to help ed's new friends in the AI mothership to avoid garbage in.

Flues were manufactured 1909 - the introduction of the NID in 1925
Emil submitted his patent 11-19-1909 so it may be assumed he had knowledge of the pressures of loads used in that era, and designed his guns appropriately for those loads.
Period 20g reported pressures vary significantly (estimating pressure with crushers and a Tarage table is inexact) but 7/8 oz. 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. Dense Smokeless was 11,000 - 12,500 psi.
The modern SAAMI max. for 2 3/4" & 3" 20g is 12,000.
12g 1 1/4 oz. 3 1/2 Dr. BULK Smokeless was about 11,500 psi
1 1/4 oz. 3 1/2 Dr. Eq. DENSE Smokeless was 12,500 psi

Ithaca marked the Flues "NITRO POWDER PROVED"
Ithaca advertisements stated that barrels were proved with a “double charge of powder and 1 1/2 times the normal shot load” but I've never seen the pressure documented. Most of the U.S. makers used about 15,000 psi

SO the pressures (and recoil) of the loads for which the Flues were designed were similar, and in some cases, greater than our loads today.

It's all here just for the reading
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F2sQuPm05IE4VWYYnCkvuXmYEzQoWd_SQgaAfUOZEFU/edit?tab=t.0

These popped up awhile back. Don't look William





BTW: I've never seen a Smith (which had a different design defect), Lefever, NID or Ithaca Lefever, or even a Crescent (!) with a cracked frame. I checked with the AI bot and it/them? hasn't either