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I went back and took another look at this rifle, and the more I look at it the worse it looks. I don't think it was originally an 06 because it's missing the notch in the front ring. And the front ring does not look good to me at all, why was it buffed clean? And who would remove a Mauser Banner from an original commercial rifle? Why does the front ring look like it may have had a crest that wasn't completely buffed out ? And why does the barrel have a barrel band? The photographs of the forend show no suggestion of a matching screw attached to it. Who would put that stock on that action, and not put a scope on it?

I think this was just a bunch of parts cobbled together for a sale. The shop that had this for sale sells a lot of guns. I'm sure they know what a commercial Mauser is and what it's worth. Look at auction number 1202329386. Look at the difference in the pictures and the description, and notice they talk about matching numbers and bore condition. If this rifle was legitimate, I think they would be talking it up and they would know what to say. And I suspect their pictures would show a lot more of what's important.

I guess that's my .02 cents worth.

Tim

I think it's because it's a worked over restocked Sedgley. The barrel band is Sedgley. The barrel is Sedgley. The front sight is typical. Sedgley ground off the original serial numbers on the Springfield actions he used, I don't see why he wouldn't grind off the front ring on this. Everything about the rifle, including the unblued bolt handle, looks like a Sedgley that someone restocked with different bottom metal some time in the 50's or 60's maybe. Look at the Bishop and Fajen stock catalogs from the 50's.

I agree with Ryan, the Sedgley things caught my eye. I wonder if anyone here has a copy of Jon Speed's book and can date the receiver, I read it to be 90824.

I really don't know if the receiver has been buffed or not, that could be due to lighting, fingerprints, etc. I just don't know.

here is another commercial mauser that was later reworked by sedgley and then also sadly butchered on aswell

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...mauser-in-7x57.cfm?gun_id=101403798#lg-1




[quote=Tim in PA missing the notch in the front ring. [/quote]

Very common to see them with out notch, They probably added it after some customer complaints eventually.

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/lot-452510.aspx
https://collectorsfirearms.com/prod...06-r21566/#mz-expanded-view-479334957730

Sedgley ground the numbers off low number Springfield so he could sell them, I think most people viewed low number Springfield's back then the the way most people today view Damascus barrel shotguns. Considering the cost of genuine commercial actions, I have a hard time believing he would just willy-nilly grind the Mauser Banner off.

I looked at the rifle on Guns International, and unless I'm just missing something, I don't see anything about that action that indicates it's commercial.


Tim

What are your thoughts on the clearly visible commercial proof marks?

set triggers and very bare looking front right but its hard to tell with scope mount covering side, Could also be ww1 capture. either way similar fate.

By the looks of what may be a Crest that has been removed from the top of the recv'r ring,,I suspect those remaining marks are from a dovetailed scope base installed at one time
then removed and the space welded up. Maybe the base left in place and welds run around the edges to fuse the metal and base in place.
The marks left behind form straight lines and when looking at the pics that show that area, they do (to me) show the outline of a dovetailed scope base.

Welded up and then faced off. the less than perfect job left those small void lines behind.
Sedgley used welding quite a lot in his workings.

Well, I went back and looked, and all I saw were the Sedgley marks, a number on the safety, and a hint of something peeking from behind the scope mount. If there's clearly visible proof marks on that rifle, please tell me where they're at.

Edit - if you're talking about the rifle in the original topic of discussion, and not the rifle in your quote that I was referring to, Mauser was known to repurpose leftover military contract actions for commercial purposes, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility, that that rifle originally had a foreign military crest. But from the lousy picture, that rifle still looks poorly scrubbed to me. Without a good close up I don't think there's any way to say one way or the other.

Let's be clear, I am nothing resembling an authority on Mauser actions. The more I learn, the more I realize how much more there is to learn, and it just seems to get more confusing.

Tim

Picture 17 shows the "U" under a crown and the "B" under a crown, directly in front of the Oberndorf serial number 90824, which falls right in line with other sporting rifles in the 1924-25 timeline according to the Jon Speed book "Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles".