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Hello folks;
Anyone here who can tell me a bit about a "PRIMA" double? Ran across one at a show this morning, and as yet not able to find out much about it. It is a tiny, pettite little thing that looks to be very well made. The stock dimensions and cheek piece look awful, as does the sling swivel on the lower rib. Not a problem, as I would re stock it anyway. In the hands, this thing feels almost like some kind of a minuature or toy. I want it bad for a future project, but don't want to get burned. Condition is very good except for a little roughness in the short chambers. Can find no fault other than that God awful looking stock.
Any information and ball park price range would sure be appriceated. Really only interested in the metal ---- might be able to learn to live with the horn trigger guard. Intend to go take a closer look at it unless one of you boys flag me off. Asking price is 800 bucks and negotiable.
Hoping this find everyone well;
Bill Kraft
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Bill:
Where was the word "PRIMA"? Was it for a barrel type? Hammergun, boxlock?
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Bill,
There are many folks out there who'll appreciate the gun as is with the cheek piece, swivels and horn trigger gaurd. IMO it would be a shame to replace these items and destory the history of the firearm.
Phil
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Mornin' Raimey;
Thanks for the reply. The "Prima" marks were on the barells, on top of each chamber, with a circle of german writing around each mark. Also several proof marks on the flats. Saw no other markings at the time, although I'm certain there are more. Can give the seller a call, if you think you are on to something.
Thanks again;
Bill Kraft
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Bill;
I have a German drilling with the mark PRIMA over each chamber. Below that is eagle with the words around it KRUPP ESSEN FlUES STAHL. I have always assumed this PRIMA was the grade of steel used by the Krupp works for the bbls. Unless an exceptional gun, which it doesn't necessarily sound like, I would think a restock job would make this gun not worth while. Would tend to agree it should be left as is if the stock situation is just one of personal aesthetics. Best to buy the kind you like than destroy those someone else would love to find.
Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Bill:
Top of the morning to you. Miller(2-piper) is correct. Other type barrel marks: Special - Gewehr-Lauf Stahl, 3 intertwined rings, Fried, Krupp AG. Essen, Krupp-Laufstahl. Any clues to the maker's identity will more than likely be on the underside of the barrels or barrel flats. Restock would about double the price of the longarm. I'd be glad to give someone a bell.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Raimey and 2 piper;
Just talked to the guy and he found some more writing on the gun. In the circle around the "prina" mark are the words gewehralus - stahl. He also found a stamping of M.A. Gmeiner and Sohn. Bittenberg. That's it other than many marks on the flats. Said he did some digging on it at one time and came up with nothing more than that is some kind of "guild gun".
You all are correct about keeping it original. I would not alter the metal in any way other than unscrewing the front swivel from it's stud. The original wood and guard will be kept and could be put back at any time. Have re - stocked many, and have the factory stocks for every one.
I really appreciate you folks helping out with this. Also will try to get some pictures if we decide to go ahead and buy it.
Many thanks again;
Bill Kraft
P.S. Don't hold us to the spelling, as"the writing on gun is tiny and in some sort of odd style."
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Kraft:
If you are doing the work, then it would not matter. But I would venture to guess that the chambers are 65mm. Also, a guess/assume that M.A. Gmeiner & Sohn, Bittenberg, could have been a retailer. A pic of the barrel flats would yield some clues.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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M.A. Gmeiner & Sohn were gunsmiths in Altenburg, Germany, circa 1860. It would seem that at a later date they changed location.
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Jani
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