I handled them and looked at them at the Grand American at the Ruger booth for two or three years. I didn't think they looked that bad and I thought they looked and felt like pretty decent guns for the money. But I believe they were a hit and miss item as far as dependency was concerned. You either got a good one or a bad one-were the complaints from the people who bought and commented on them. Some said theirs was unfixable. As I said, I remember one person saying that Ruger ended up sending him a Red Label because he had it break so many times and Ruger couldn't fix it. Oh well.