HJ I've hung with some punters in England for awhile. The largest take on one shot, (in the 6 years that I was there), was 25 ducks. If a punter is really lucky he might get one shot in a days outing. Usually it was one shot in two outings average. It's not as easy as just paddling up to a flock and letting loose, lots of things have to be just right and the planets have to align. Most do it just to keep a tradition alive not to brag on large pots. How many nimrods have you heard bragging about their exploits in the local pub? Another example of "let me push my beliefs on something I know nothing about".