DT, my "Drat" has made it clear that she doesn't want to be on any pump gun, even though I have been shooting them for years. Let me know if you hear any more about that gun. I remember the Amber picture, but I'm not going to go looking for it. By the way, the last Joe Knapp Club gun I found is a P gun. Let me know if you run across it. I am trying to track it down myself. Murphy