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I think the straight stock allows your hand to slightly shift to the rear trigger better....some guys claim they only move their finger but I find myself shiftling my grip.
Which is right ?

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Good questions as to what is right. All I know is that what ever I do, it works. I don't have a clue as to how I get to the rear trigger.

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jOe, I don't find myself moveing my hand at all, but can't say it's right or wrong either way. Some of the open style pistolgrips should accomodate your hand movement if it's not much movement.

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I don't think that I move my hand on a double trigger. I guess it is just tradition and I hated double triggers when I was younger but I like them on SXS now and think a single trigger looks strange. I do have a inexpensive russian gun that has a single trigger pretty far forward and find myself pulling on the trigger guard on the second shot.

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I'm fully accepting of a single trigger on a sxs. However, a single trigger does look out of place in certain configurations. This is certainly an enigma.


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In my own experience a pistol grip will do more to determine hand position and influence the feel of stock length.

On a straight grip gun things are a little murkier. Are we assuming that length of pull is still being measured from the butt to what, the front trigger? If that is the case, the hand will be set quite a way back from the front trigger, having to clear the rear trigger and the back end of the trigger guard. And with a straight grip, there's nothing to prevent the hand from being placed so far back. No small co-incidence that so many of the British and Continental straight grip guns have pulls on the order of 15". I think that is why CSM wisely offered the option of a longer stock.

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If I am not wrong (possible) the RBL has its single trigger at the rear position. Measuring LOP normally, 14.25" (on otherwise identical guns) first a single trigger RBL and then comparing with the front trigger of a double trigger RBL, would show a difference in LOP of aprx. 1" while both would have the same butt stock length. Rear positioned single triggers must be compared with the rear trigger of double trigger guns.

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Just look at folks in contry like England where smoooobr shootin' is favoured. Most often encountered game getin' piece is O/U with SST and some kind of pistola grip. Me likes anythin' that fits and has Prince of Somethin'? (shallow pg) grip.

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I'm looking at a photo of an RBL with SST on the cover of a Galazan catalog. I'd describe it as being a sort of mid-position. (It's about the same position as Chuck's hammergun photo, above.) No way is it front; there would not be enough room for another trigger behind it. Nor, however, is it rear. I'm looking at two of my own guns, one DT and one ST (a Zoli-Rizzini A&F import). The latter has its ST in virtually the same position as the rear trigger on the DT gun. Very little room between it and the trigger guard.

I have no experience with RBL's other than having handled a few. I did speak to the owner of a fairly early 20ga with SST. The SST would not select. He sent it back to have it fixed and it still didn't select. There's always some edge in reliability, DT over ST, assuming we're talking the same gun.

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The guns are sold with specified LOP. This is the distance between the center of the trigger (front on a double trigger gun) and the center of the buttplate.

It matters not a hoot what the configuration of the stock is, or where the trigger guard is in relation to the trigger.

This is a specified, measured distance. The length of the stock will be such that this distance meets spec.

Simple as that.


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