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Not too pretty I'll admit. It has a nickel plated action to protect from salt water damage. This was as it came from the Makers back in 1881. Lagopus.....

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The number 940 makes me wonder if it's a larger version of the Large Frame which was used to make 12 & 16ga. shotguns. The 9-- series of numbers ends with 938 so it seems logical to assume the 940 was a larger frame for 10 & 8ga. guns. Frank de Haas goes into pretty great lengths to describe the guns in "Single Shot Rifles and Actions", copyrighted in 1969 and published by DBI.

Don't know whether or not I'm correct in this but it seems a good start.

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Finally got my Daughter to take some pictures of the 8 gauge.











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I'm not sure what I did, but half of the pictures loaded twice and some didn't make it on at all. Sorry.

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I'll bet that thing kicks a tad - what does it weigh?

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It weighs 11 pounds 9 ounces. And I'd say you might be right on the kickin thing. Here's one more pic.

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I mean here's another pic.


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That's actually heavier than I thought.

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What wonderfull wood on a basic hardware store type gun.With that wood I would make it a 10ga reburbish the barrels and make it my go to gun.

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Originally Posted By: Ironman5
... CC are strong, wood is definitely a couple steps up from any I've seen in pictures of market guns. Lots of figure, round knob, very nice checkering and both the forearm and stock all carry the matching serial #940. Barrel is 36" and the bore is almost perfect. I'm looking for some direction on where to look for info on a gun like this. Is it appropriate for discussion here even though it only has one barrel? If so, I'll try to add some pictures later.

Also did H&A keep good production records? Thanks in advance.


Congrats on a very nice gun. Hopkins and Allen start shortly after the Civil War. They started producing guns for Merwin, Hulbert & Company and basically owned the XL trade name.

Their primary output seems to have been pistols. In the 1890's they were producing a single shot of falling block design. The top lever did not appear in their single shot line until about 1900. According to Carder they often produced limited production guns and did not list many of their own guns in their catalogs. It would appear this is one of those limited production guns.

In any event, this one should date between 1900 and 1914. I would lean towards an early dating because of the twist damascus barrels.

Many guns attributed to Crescent or Stevens as hardware store guns were in fact produced by H&A.

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