There are so many sites out there that talk about pump guns that if all those folks came here the SxS would be an also ran. there are pumps out there that are spendy guns and very nice such as say a mod.12 pigeon grade and to see one or talk about one here from time to time is no problem for me.The thing is you can get it every day at a mod.12 forum that don't talk mod.21's.