While there is justifiable criticsm of some low end products, they are not/were not only made overseas, i.e. Stevens 311/Fox model B, Marlin's O/U are only a couple. There is a market for "two shooters" priced between Remington's Biakal line and Tony Galazan's new RBL and the higher end Spanish or Italian or English guns. I have found what I say and do in haste I get to repent at my leisure. Personally I think I'll see ALL the cards before I venture an opinion. Finally the CZ/Hugulu(Turkey) guns I've sold have been well received and the 2 that required service were swapped for new guns within 10 days of leaving my shop. Try that with Remington or Ruger. Best, Dr. Bill