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Thanks again for the opinions guys. I expected they would vary with individual experiences, and that's what we got. A little "here's the law" and some "this is the way it really happens".

I have a C&R license, but don't know about the other end. I asked, but was told we didn't need one ... and that's the reason for the question. I got no idea how the rear end blew off and glad I was not around. The interest has moved beyond just my transaction, so I will call the ATF and see what they say. I will try to post a pic of the damage.

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/crsides/?action=view&current=colt25acp014.jpg

I have to say there is no way I'd tangle with the BATF over such an unimportant gun and issue. It's not like it's a valuable gun, and it's not like you can't just err on the side of caution and use an FFL holder to complete the deal.

IMO, the BATF probably keeps a log of every inquiry they get. Someday they'll use it against you one way or the other.

It's like calling the IRS, giving them your name and SSN, and asking if you can deduct the expenses you incur from conducting your "Why the Government Has no Right to Tax You" seminar.

It's like casually mentioning to your wife that if some 'crazy lady' calls and insists you pay child support, she should just hang up and forget about it.

I would keep a very, very low profile around the BATF, the IRS, and any wife/girlfriend conflicts. It's good common sense.

Wonder if the gangbangers in Chicago or Milwaukee are aware of all these laws. How do they comply with BATF regs? Perhaps the feds are harrassing the wrong folks? Chopper

Come on now Jim, that remark was uncalled for. I'm no expert in my own mind, and that's exactly why I posted that remark. I'm not an expert nor are you or anyone else here that isn't a BATF agent. I'm not trying to be a wise ass and you have my intentions all wrong.

So, our friend C.R. Sides should go ahead and do the transfer. If he gets into some trouble with the BATF he should tell them that italiansxs on the doublegunshop.com said he once saw the BATF ignore a table full of damaged .22 receivers at some gun show so he didn't think it would be a problem.... I wouldn't want to bet on that strategy.

Again, I'm no expert in my own mind, which is exactly why Jim should call the BATF, get the facts from them, write down who tells him what, and proceed from there. If C.R. gets bad info from a BATF agent and it's documented, end of story.

What model colt is it? Hard to tell from pic whats going on, Very clean machined like hole.

Ok Recoil Rob but until Kutters post all I was trying to do was get some clarification here which I, and possibly others others who don't have FFLs, wanted. Now; after seeing the pictures,IMO that Colt is still a firearm and the receiver appears to be repairable. I personally would treat it as a firearm as far as the law goes.I also agree that it's better to err on the side of caution in these matters.
Jim

The hole looks very much like the hole you have after removeing the fireing pin retainer on many 25autos and thats why I asked the model.To me from the pic it just looks like a missing part.

that's EXACTLY all that is. the firing pin is missing and it's missing from the SLIDE, not the FRAME. the frame is the part that carries the serial # and on that gun is totally undamaged. the slide is nothing to the atf. it's a part. that can go thru the mail or anything else. you try sending that w/o going thru a dealer and if you're caught it's a trip to jail and/or a bad fine.

the part of the gun that the ATF considers to be the "gun" varies from action type to action type. but this gun is missing nothing but a couple of inconsequential (to ATF) parts from yet another inconsequential part.

roger

i had wondered how the back of the frame could get blown off an auto pistol w/o seriously injuring the shooters hand.

typically the ATF considers the part that accepts the barrel to be the "gun", the part that's required to be serial numbered and tracked. auto pistols are an exception and a little odd in that regard as it's the "frame" is the part of the gun that goes in the hand. the only exception i can think of offhand to that is the ruger 22 auto which has a receiver into which the barrel is fitted and that assembly then mounting to the frame. in that case the receiver is the numbered part and the (grip)frame is not. i'm sure there are other designs that are out of the norm which likewise are outside the norm.

Here is a vintage Model 1903 Colt 25 auto from my own collection. Below is a photo showing how the back of the frame would look with the firing pin installed. I guess we should have asked for pictures of the "damaged" gun first and saved some time.
Jim