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Gunut, great point. I never thought of that when I had the barrel off. I only measured the barrel. Then maybe its 2.75 already been redone. I'm gonna check my Super-X 3in gun and see how it measures with and without the chamber ring. Thanks JW

Amen to that "Goombah" the BBGV is just a basic "road map"- I'm not a 16 ga. man- but I have friends in the South who will pay a premium to get a fine 16 (M12 included, thank you) for quail and dove. The market will usually support a certain price level, and with certain "cachet" guns there seems to be a "tier" or leveling out factor- I hear now that later Win Model 70's (before the final folding up) are going to bring more, in light of the "New New-Old M70" now being mfg. in the USA (NC??) One reason why I look at 100 guns from gun shows, dealers and my preferred "shopping cart"- the private party- for each one I buy.
If you are not teaching advanced marketing and economics at Harvard, perhaps you should be-you'd get my nod for your "on spot" analysis of the ever-changing gun market for the "good old guns"- like the man once said- "You find something really good, well made, that you like, buy two-sure as shootin' they'll stop making it, and try to foist off something cheaper- WRA 1964--RWTF!!

Come on boyz a 2.5" chamber and 25" FULL choke barrel in ole' gun like that is worth $600? You can get 2nd hand Mod. 12 redo 20ga from Japan with 26" and very useful IC choke for about that amount. The one with Browning stamped on the barrel tends to have luvly dark wood and can be found for less cash. I like classic guns and use Remi 31, but at least it came with 3 barrels which can be switched almost as easily as choke tubes. I only use 26" IC barrel but it's nice to have 28" mod and 30" full barrel handy. Can you drop in ole' Mod. 12 barrel assembly in just as easily. My guess is no, right?

Find std. Browning 26" Mod. gun (7000 made) or std. Winchester "Redo" 26" IC guns (4000 made) from Japan. They are real sleepers of used trombone market at this time.
Now these are high quality guns you can use with all sorts of modern shot. Very useful indeed.

If you are not teaching advanced marketing and economics at Harvard, perhaps you should be-you'd get my nod for your "on spot" analysis of the ever-changing gun market for the "good old guns"-
You flatter me RWTF.
However this would probably be a breath of fresh air when compared to the "economics" taught by the left-wing liberals that tend to infest most universities these days.
If I owned a site like Gunbroker the first thing I would do is eliminate reserve auctions and start all sales at $1.00 ensuring that everything sells. Barrett Jackson did this for their car auctions and IMO it really increased the spirited bidding since the buyers know that when the hammer falls the vehicle will have a new owner.
Jim

i'll have to actually measure one to see but i don't think the chamber ring is 1/4" long. i was thinking more like half that.

offerring to buy a gun from the owner when it's on consignment on a dealers rack while you're in the dealers place of business i'd consider pretty bad form. rude, actually. and drastically low-balled offers always have a negative effect on me and unless my family is starving and we need the money that buyer won't be getting it at all.

roger

You Sir, are correct. On my 3" Mag M12 "Heavy Duck" I did a through "mike" job, and then pattern tested it with both AA Trap loads and some Hevi=-Shot for later on Mallards (also a Doctorate on Airborne barn pigeons with the AA's) The chamber ring is about 5/16" on the 3" mag-and the receiver is about 3/64" thicker in wall thickness (at the ejection port side-than my three other std. 2 &3/4" chambered 12 ga. Model 12's- The ejector spring is about 0.0035" thicker- and the firing pin is also NOT interchangeable with the std. 12- but the trigger housing group and action slide release are- The wall thickness is of course, heavier at both receiver and at the muzzle-with appropriate taper on the even 30" from the rear of the threaded barrel-and the face step- to the crowned (very slightly) muzzle- Nom. Bore dia. is still .730" "on the dime" and the choke indictates .030 Constriction- patterns like a champ-even and full, makes you wonder how a guy could miss- the lead plug was removed from the rear buttstock group cavity hole (parallel to the stock bolt through or access hole-I like the slight "muzzle forward balance of the M12" so with the heavier barrel wt. over the std. field 12's- I'll gradually add some more wt. (lead shot encapsulated in Acra-Glas in a tube I'd guess- and see how she goes. I've seen folks "measure" the barrel on an assembled M12 and come up with a odd or fractional reading- most accurate way is to dis-assemble the gun into the two basic groups, and hook your Stanley tape on the muzzle and read it right at the end of the receiver end threads at the "step" Dead Nutz every time!!

"Prices vary from gauge to gauge dramatically, but a good 12-gauge with a rib still can be found for $400 up. Smooth, durable, and well made, its a joy to shoot." Year 1980
"Prices for lesser 12s are more modest. Competition guns in excellent shape run about $800, and field guns in the same condition will run from $400 to $700." Year 1988.
What do they bring in today?
Foxie, if you don't quit taking that gem apart to measure things it's going to get worn out.

Not in my lifetime J-M! I strip down, clean and lube all my Winchesters- now the few doubles in my Gun Safe- that is another story- as old Clint Eastwood once said "Man's gotta know his limits" and working on a fine double, compared to stripping down and re-assembling something basic like a M12, M70 or M-1 Garand, that's for the experts-and we have them "In Spades" on this BBS-I yield to their expertise- but as my Grandfather owned and ran a successful machine tool shop, I have some background in that area-and two nice old Gerstner tool boxes with the Hallmark names like Lufkin, Brown and Sharpe, Stanley and others-of a by-gone age- No "Yaka-saki" tools, guns or motorcycles clutter up my life-never have, never will! And just as they say "You can't outshoot your gun, outwalk your boots, or outtalk a fool"- Charles Nicholson page 96 Game Country Magazine Jan/Feb 1990- Also, same issue- best hunting story I've read NOT written by Hemingway or Faulkner by same Southern Gent'man- "A Deer For Cholly Dorman" RWTF

There is no way mere mortal can outlive Mod.12. Local shop has > half a dozen in different conditons some have no finish left but all can still be used in the field.