Thanks Ed- especially for confirming why (IMO) barn pigeons and crows with the gun(s) you hunt game birds with-are the best practice for the wingshooter- your analysis of clays losing velocity over distance and time-at odds with the black spurred old Rooster fezzant you boot out from a half-frozen cattail marsh in late Nov- or when the scaups and buffleheads strafe your sets of Schmidt and Soule "foolies" on Saginaw Bay at Thanksgiving week-end, or (and this is guestimate, as MI will have a dove season when Hell Freezes Over apparently=-mourning doves in flight with a tailwind moving them into Mach range- I didn't know that many States had live bird rings-or about the yardage- I had heard somewhere about the two shots mandatory- is that because some live bird guns (a la Nash Buckingham's Bo Whoop Becker-Fox) had no safety, and by firing both barrels, even though the "flyer" may have dropped like a rock inside the fence, then the shotgun is considered to be "in a safer mode" than if only one tube was fired? Your knowledge and insight into the shooting sports is like the Mississippi River- both deep and wide, and I thank you for sharing it so generously here. RWTF