the 40" long models would work on take-down auto's and pumps. and now that you mention it i could use one of those for auto-5's.

the size i need is 20" long on the inside for a winchester model 12 i cut to riot configuration for my travel gun. i.e. one that isn't immediately obvious it's a gun. i've given up on finding anything like that and am going to resort to making one out of leather.

roger