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HHH,
I had a 20 ga Super Field that developed the same issue. Baffled me. My experience was like yours, ie., stronger mag spring did not fix it. I even fooled with the shellplate spring. No dice.
I got a new cutoff and that was the end of problem.
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I bought a Browning Model 12-20ga from a guy on the web a few months back, and found that it would dump a shell out the bottom after firing a round. Apparently recoil would allow a shell in the magazine to get below the lifter/carrier. I took it to a local smith who replaced the magazine spring, which didn't fix the problem.
So, I took it back, and he ground on something till the shells stayed inside the gun like they were supposed to. I asked him about a stronger lifter/carrier spring, and he said there wasn't enough room there for a heftier spring.
I have shot a couple of boxes of shells through it since, and it seems to be working ok now.
Don't know if this is relevant to the thread, but thought I would add my experience.
Happy trails,
HHH
I had a Browning M12 repro, a beautiful Grade V 28 gauge that gave the same problem. If my memory is correct, the carrier(another name for lifter) is returned to the down position by spring tension. It was found to be dragging on the frame. By relieving the dragging area and possibly increasing the spring tension, the problem was eliminated. I had several problems with this gun and learned a lot about fixing them myself, during that period. After selling both the M12 and the M42, I found myself missing the 42. I now have another one and am very happy with it.
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Last edited by Run With The Fox; 10/05/08 09:07 AM.
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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RWTF,
As I understand it, the "extra" carrier shell guide was first used on the 28 gauge gun to keep shells from getting too far off center laterally when being routed to the chamber. The action was wide enough for the 16 gauge, and the small shell needed some containment in some gun attitudes. Next, I understand this extra part went on the 3" guns. Even with this guide I still have feeding problems occasionally with my 3" duck gun in vertical positions when pass-shooting. Finally, sometime post war, they put this part in all Model 12's. That is my understanding, I think this is covered in either Riffle's or Madis's books.
One of my Model 12's is a 20 which my dad gave me for Christmas in 1964, when I was 13. I still have it. For the first two years of its life it ate ejectors regularly -- broke the springs! It could have been catching the ejector on some burr, but I could never find it. The gun was extremely tight when new. More likely the problem was basewad junk blown out of those damnable old paper Federals that I reloaded until their chintzy brass bases burst. This junk probably got between the leaf spring and the ejector somehow. That's how I learned the inside of Model 12's, changing that ejector several times before my 15th birthday! I haven't had to change one in decades.
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"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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RTWF - could you break this up into paragraphs or blocks ?
I am interested in want you are saying about Model 12 feeding issues from the magazine tube, but I can't follow it.
Respectfully - Postoak
Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear.
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No-not a literary guy=but take heart, GBE great books about my gunning hero- T.Nash B. showed his piss-poor typing, runovers, lack of syntax-etc- so if it worked for Nash, well that's good enough for me- I'll just delete my info on Model 12's and avoid the confusion I have apparently caused you and possibly others herein- Mea Culpa--WTF
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No-not a literary guy=but take heart, GBE great books about my gunning hero- T.Nash B. showed his piss-poor typing, runovers, lack of syntax-etc- so if it worked for Nash, well that's good enough for me- I'll just delete my info on Model 12's and avoid the confusion I have apparently caused you and possibly others herein- Mea Culpa--WTF That is no D A M N excuse! Postoak was being kind. Most of your posts are unreadable! You can't find the period for the end of a sentence, but you can find it T. Nash B., so you use a dash.!!!!! What's with that? Pleading ignorance doesn't hold water after a while. Sounds like the liberal Democrats when they get caught doing sometime wrong and they just slough it off as being OK. So instead if trying to conform to the normal communications rules, you just pick up you marbles and pout about it. You have good taste and good information, so why don't you present it so it can be deciphered by the folks here? You have already caused me to stop posting here (much to the delight of several), but I just couldn't keep thoughts suppressed any longer.
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