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I know it's been posted before, but the search function leaves allot to be desired.
If I recall correctly, there's a serial number cutoff on these guns as to the good ones, and the not so good ones.
If someone would be so kind as to post this again, I'll save it for future reference.
Thanks, Dave

Dave,
470xxx guns have parts made in Italy. 471xxx guns have parts made in Germany. All "Made in the USA". I love both and find the earlier guns to have better engraving. BEWARE of guns that DO NOT have ICD Victor,NY on the bottom of receiver. These were made with rejected parts and assembled by Beschi. In my opinion-Poor Quality and prone to Big Problems.
Bob Jurewicz

Thanks Bob,
That's just the answer I was looking for.
I will save it this time. :-)

Bob, where does the Dutch connection come in? As I recall, at one time, Lamboy accessed parts from Holland?

My 471xxx 28 gauge 4E has "Krupp Steel" barrels and was beautifully engraved and signed by Adams and Adams of Vermont. According to an article about the guns written by Vic Venters in the March/April issue of Shooting Sportsman, it sounds like the components for the 470xxx guns were sourced in Italy, and the 471xxx guns had the action frames sourced from VGM in Holland, with the remainder of the parts (except for the Krupp barrels) made by Al Wordingham in New York. I believe Doug Turnbull blued the barrels and case colored the actions on all the guns. A good source of info is Gunter Pfrommer who was director of manufacturing and still gunsmiths.
Joe

Are barrels marked Krupp from Galazan and Steve Lamboy actually sourced from Krupp in Germany? Is Krupp actually still in business? Thank you for the VGM information. It is often missing from answers to questions about these guns.

Bill, my barrels (original, not from Galazan) are stamped "Krupp Steel".
Joe

Krupp merged or was acquired by Thyssen AG to become ThyssenKrupp in 2005. Krupp built plants all over the world, Italy, Brazil, ... including building a new plant in Alabama recently.

So, "Krupp" barrels could be made from steel made anywhere in the world. There's no doubt Krupp has a long history of barrel making, including the heavy artillery of two world wars and those huge barrels of WW2. But, the real question is: What are you getting, and is it any better than any other commonly used steel sources, when you buy a modern gun with "Krupp" barrels? I suspect that it's become simply a marketing/consumer recognition issue today.

That's kind of what I thought, but at least the stamping looks neat. I was raised in a house in Rockville, MD. that was built in 1948. The wastewater pipes in the crawl space in the basement were marked "Krupp". I assume they were confiscated during the war and purchased as surplus by an American company and sold to budding postwar construction companies. This year, I shared a duck blind at a private club on the Lower Potomac with a gentleman who turned out to be the son of the man who built that house. Continuing the coincidence was the fact that our mothers had worked together in the same government office in Washington during the war. They had renewed their friendship when we moved into the house in Rockville in 1948. It also turned out that our fathers had shot ducks together at his dad's club in Dorchester County on the Eastern Shore. Small world.

Bill - I have had several outstanding duck shoots out of Elliots Island with the 12 time world champion muskrat skinner (now deceased) Wally Abbott