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Has anyone tried these wads? Any and all comments appreciated.
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My Vintager friends and I use these all the time. Great wads. I generally don't find Polywad type spreader discs very effective, giving donut patterns in many cases, but these DX wads will effectively spread the pattern in mod to full chokes. A word of caution--many of us have found ourselves relying on the spreader to provide a wide pattern, and thus lose the concentration we would have with tighter chokes. It's counterproductive to do that--so don't overuse the spreaders--just use them when it makes sense at shorter ranges. I load these in straight walled Fioccki cases using Ballistic Products provided data. Keith
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Is this the Sabati (sp?) wad? If so, below is 24 grams #9, 16 gr 700-X, WW 209, AA hull out of a NID-4E 32" left barrel of full choke at 20 yards. You might want to consider this a benchmark for effective spreaders. Remember also that the crossover point of effective pattern diameter between open and tight chokes in in the 25-30 yard range, depending on how open and how tight. Can the idea of full choke making 40 yard rifle shots - doesn't happen. [img]http://[url="http://www.hunt101.com/?p=453607&c=500&z=1"]  [/url][/img] Same load with CB Lightning wad: [img][url="http://www.hunt101.com/?p=453606&c=500&z=1"]  [/url][/img]
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Don, the DX12 wad is made by Gualandi in Italy--but I bet it's the one you're using since it's about the only effective one piece spreader wad out there. Your patterns seem to bear out my experience with the wad--very effective at the range you cite. I renew my words of caution that you need to be sensible about where to use it--i.e. don't overuse it for shots at too long a range. Keith
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Keith,
I have a Full & Full Parker DHE I want to use to shoot sporting clays. The gun in not in mint condition but I can't make up my mind if I want to open the chokes.
Rocketman,
What is the constriction in thousands in the left barrel??
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DS - I recall it as being 0.035", will confirm tonight. The gun is a trap setup except for a lower than usual stock and was shot at trap professionally for many years before I got it. I'd strongly suggest you at least try using spreaders before cutting the chokes. I have shot trap (non-spreader wads), skeet (all spreader wads), and SC & 5-stand (mix of regular wads and spreader wads to effect choke changes). Load up a supply of 7/8 oz #9 spreaders, 1 oz #8 or #8 1/2 in regular wads, and 1 1/8 oz #7 1/2 regular wads. Select shells for range and choke needed.
Just for the record, the 'ole hiefer has 32" bbls, 14 1/4" LOP (SS trigger, so effective LOP of 14 3/4"-15"), weighs 8# 11 oz (very heavy), balances 6 1/2" to trigger (effective 5 3/4"-6" CG = forward balance), swings 2.48 unmounted (very slow), swings 10.55 mounted (very slow), and has a half weight radius of 11.5" (very dispersed weight); average game gun is 6 1/2#, 4 1/2", 1.45, 6.4, & 10.4. All that translates into a very stable swing that demands a lot of muscle when the birds are changing angle fast.
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I concur completely that you shouldn't open these chokes. If you load these spreaders, you actually have a more versatile gun than if you had open chokes, as Don suggests--good for trap, skeet, or clays.
Incidently, the easiest way to load these is with a MEC 600 Jr. fitted with a 12 gauge STEEL drop tube. The tube fits right over the post in the wad, and you just load like you normally would with any other wad--using either a regular fold crimp or a roll crimp, depending on your hull or your preference. Very easy.
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I bought a bag of them and couldn't load them on my Grabber. The X-post wouldn't go into the seating tube to allow the wad to get into the wad starter. No good for me! PC Post wads work OK. Rabbit did a great job of research on these not long ago.
> Jim Legg <
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Rocketman,
Have you ever shot ZZ birds with that NID? I bet it would be a killer. The club I belong to has ZZ Birds avaliable one a month but it's on a saturday and it seems like there's always something else going on. Sunday is my day to shoot SC.
I too use a Grabber, wouldn't the steel rammer tube for a Grabber help seat the wad? Seems like I read that somewere before.
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Yes, the steel shot tube should work fine on the Grabber, and make this a fairly easy reload.
If you're talking about Deep River--you should try to make it--generally they have a dozen or more shooters for the ZZ shoots, and it's a fun time. ZZ's are so unpredictable that everyone has a reasonable good chance to either excell or embarrass themselves. Either way a lot of fun. Keith
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