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Sorry for the bad pics, it was dark out and my friend wanted me to find out about his recent purchase. Is this a Beglian gun? It only has the black powder proofs and the cross ceptors(sp) not sure if thats correct. Not a bad double, but it looks Belgian. The dolls head and how the top lever is made with a simple slotted screw through doesn't look English at all.  
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I. Hollis was a prolific maker. I have owned or own quite a few of his guns. If it doesn't have the ELG mark it's not Belgian. Hollis made guns in all grades from the lowest to the best.
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I Have an I Hollis & Son percussion ML'r & it carries Birmingham proofs. Not 100% positive, but I believe the Doll's Head originated with Westly Richards. I do know he was an early user of it & it was quite common on early English built guns.
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It doesn't have the "ELG" mark.
Is it a 600.00 gun?
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Crossed scepters would be the mark of the Guardians-Birmingham proofhouse used until 1904. 2-piper is correct in that Westley Richards patented the doll's head fastner in 1858 and perfected the bolted doll's head fastner in 1862.
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Had an I Hollis &Son pigeon gun that was heck for stout and a fine shooter. Hollis was joined by Bentley and Playfair in his later years,
Last edited by Amigo Will; 12/01/08 01:04 AM.
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Battle I'm a dealer so to me no. I can get either a gun in that type/grade/condition cheaper or for the money I can get a better gun. Can the average Joe? It might take awhile but I think so.
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Looks like someones been dicking around with the hinge pin screw.
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It doesn't have the "ELG" mark.
Is it a 600.00 gun? Dunno what the market's like where you are but in the market I'm in, it'd be lucky to be 1/4 of that, in AUDs. RG
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What was the proper metal finishes on a damascus I. Hollis sidelock hammerless? Was the damascus black and white or browned and white? And the locks and other metal? I've got one that has had the barrels blued. Considering having all metal refinished.
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