Oooh Boy- about 6 years ago-wintertime Gun Show- a "dealer" had some pre-1964 Winchesters for sale- all of them with the electrical cable ties- I asked to look at a 20 gauge M50-he had the tie secured so you could NOT open the bolt- price was "iffy", so I asked him to remove the cable tie so I could further examine the bore, barrel etc. He said "Nope- can't do that-you'll just have to take my word that it is OK". I put the gun down and walked away-later found out he didn't see one gun that entire day- Gosh, I wonder why!! Old P.T. Bunkum and his "fool born every minute and two to take his money"--right stuff there!! RWTF