I'll start the ball rolling. I have an original 12 gauge set up for pigeons and Helice and I also ordered a 20/28 gauge CSMC for sporting as well. Both nice guns but both different. I agree that the CSM guns are getting out of range of the average person. I just called about a 12 or a 20 gauge and the price has increased very considerable. If I could find an original in somewhat the configuration I wanted I would choose it over a new one. The one good thing about the CSM is you can have it made anyway you want.