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Just received a Belgian SxS in 12 Ga. Nice gun, but no real identification that I can determine. Has Belgian proof marks for BP and Nitro. Date code is 1925 and is 12 guage with 65 mm chambers. I find a "J H" in an oval on the underside of one of the barrels which I'm thinking is a maker's mark, but the charts I have found online do not list such a mark. I can post some pictures in a bit, but was hoping someone here could help. Oh btw, it has a "Greener" crossbolt style lockup. Side View of Action Bottom View of Action Shelf Proof Marks Maker's Mark ? Crossbolt & Action Open Buttstock with Cheekpiece Top View
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OK. You have the date wrong, sorry. The 12 over a C in a diamond or rhombus was used from 1898-1924. It was nitro proofed. You can find the proof marks and some trade marks here: http://damascus-barrels.com/bp.htmlI can find nothing on the JH in a circle. I will keep looking. With the slings and check piece, I am guessing it was made for the German market. Pete
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OK. I was dating it based on a "d" that is just to the left of the other marks in the barrel proof marks. Didn't come out on the pictures, but is there on both barrels. No "*" over it, so I assumed it was a date code.
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The date could be correct. It has both the pre-1924 12 over C in a diamond, and the post-1924 12-65 in an Omega. J. Heuse-Lemoine (not Ernest who used a 'Crowned HL' http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20h/a%20heuse%20gb.htm ) was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux and a member of Syndicat des Fabricants de Canons de Fusil de la Vesdre but there is no record of his maker's mark.
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No big deal. You have to look at all the marks to date the proof. Pre-1924 guns are difficult to pin down to an exact year. The Belgian proof system was the most "expressive". It also can be very confusing. The real nightmare comes when a gun was resubmitted to the proof house.
On Belgian guns, look to the gauge mark and you will immediately get a "feel" for the time frame. You can almost be certain it was not done during the war years. Although even that is not an absolute.
It seems like a decent field gun. If it checks out, it would be fun to shoot with reasonable loads.
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The action was a shad loose. I've shimmed it for the time being, so now it locks up tight as a drum. Bores look good with very minor pitting. Only real bummer is that the hammers don't match. Left side appears to be the original and the right side a larger replacement. Unless anyone can warn me otherwise, I plan to shoot it with modertae Blackpowder and Featherlite loads. Based upon what I know so far, I imagine it dates in the 20's. Would love to know who the "JH" stood for.
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One other question about this sxs. I was planning on loading some Magtech brass shells for it. I have two boxes of brand new brass. Trying to chamber the new shells into this gun, it is very tight. I then chambered some Winchester AA Featherlites (too long to shoot as they are 2 3/4") and they chambered just fine. Any thoughts as to why the tightness with the Magtechs? I also have3 on hand some Federal Gold Medal paper hulls that I may cut down and roll crimp.
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