Mike, the Deluxe Target 3" 12 gauge is not a target load. I have some of those and, as I remember, they are 1 5/8 ounce duck and goose loads. The Deluxe Target 16 gauge 3" are some kind of neat. I will trade any of my Deluxe Target mag 12s for similar 3" 16s. Wait a minute, Mike, your Deluxe Target 12 gauge are advertising copy. I thought they were actual boxes of shells. Maybe mine are rarer than I thought.