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PA24,
If you have a Damascus barrel 20 ga. L.C. Smith I would like to see pictures of it.
As far as I know they never made a 20 ga. with Damascus barrels.
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JDW:
I think you read that wrong, I have lot's of LC Smiths ---NO Damascus, but mentioned that many Damascus are available if that is what he wanted....interpretation sir...thanks for your interest...My guns are all lettered with Cody and I am not a Black Powder type...I like clean burning smokeless, I know they burn reduced SP loads in the twist guns, but still like fluid steel best....thanks, Happy New Year - Put an edit on that other post, so it is now very clear for you..thanks...
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so far, most of what i am hearing is ignorance, arrogance and rudeness...hopefully, there are some gentlemen here?
In as gentlmanly way as possible I will say, I worked in the metal working trade for 35yrs. When these guns were originaly built they were given a "Uniform" carburization of the frame surface which upon quenching gave the mottled colors. To stick the hot tip[ of an accetalene torch to one & "Spot" color them is "ABSOLUTE TOTAL IGNORANCE" of metalurgy. The original hardening of the skin (case) is randomly destroyed. This is a crime that should be punishable by hanging by the neck until dead. That's about as Gentalmanly as I know how to say it. There are other ways of re-finishing case colors, which while in no way equal to the original, they do not destroy the hardness of the case & are completely removable if desired. This is the process of daubing with cold bluing at temps of around 160°F. This is lower than boiling water & in no way affects the original hardening of the frame. If you want to mess up guns for a few measly bucks at least learn to do it in a way that doesn't ruin the integrity of the original treatment to the gun. Cracked Sterlingworth frame Cracked through the hammer axle bearing, possibly related to weakening during re-case.  This is the final image and comments about case colors from RevDocDrew's collection. I did not include it in the original ones here because it is not attributed as the sepcific result of any particular person;s work but seems to just show one example of what can happen with improper work. i have also heard of warping of frames that can occur even with less drastic methods.
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Excuse me for being a bit confused, but when was the pictured Sterlingworth recased, 1923?
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i agree, heating any shotgun receiver without controlling the temperature and heat duration is very dangerous and can damage guns and potentially harm shooters. in additional, if the receiver is heated to very high temperature, such as that required for the bone charcoal process to be effective, then the structure of the metal has been changed and should be tempered back to provide some elasticity. otherwise, the receiver is as brittle as glass and may crack or shatter upon firing of the gun. in my opinion, a low, controlled heat process, combined with specific chemicals is the safest way to recolor a shotgun receiver. so long as the heat is kept low and controlled the metallurgy is not changed and no harm is done to the gun nor is there any potential for danger to the shooter, due to incorrect heat treating, which is the inherent flaw in the use of the high heat bone charcoal process when applied to shotgun receivers.
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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2-piper, very well said.
ed1, I personally think that your work is dreadful and feel extremely sorry for anyone who buys anything off you.They are possibly intellectually challenged and need all the help that God can give them. I would even venture to say that what you do is criminal damage and you ought to be sued.Have you ever considered taking your skills to a car breakers yard?
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see my reply to 2-piper. this is exactly the potential disaster that can result in the use of the high heat, bone charcoal process to recolor a shotgun receiver. the gun becomes a potential bomb, without proper tempering of the metal after the coloring process is completed. the high heat bone charcoal process may work fine for some winchester rifle receivers, but it should never, never be used on a shotgun receiver.
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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the high heat bone charcoal process may work fine for some winchester rifle receivers, but it should never, never be used on a shotgun receiver. Someone should notify doug Turnbull.
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In fact, they should notify the Italians, Germans, British, Canadians and Americans who ALL re-case shotguns....oh ya, the Swiss and a few others.......
Doug
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