On that point 2-piper is correct so this is last call for me on the 0.30WCF info on this thread. This is from page 368 of Philip B. Sharpe's Treatise on Handloading, 1937, 1941, 1949, 1952, 1953 regarding the 0.30WCF:
"It was designed by the Winchester people for use in their Model 1894 repeater, a popular lever action which is made even today. The .30/30 cartridge was originally intended to be used with 30 grains of black powder, but the black powder and metal-jacketed soft-point bullets failed to get along very well together, and accordingly early loads were soon altered to handle smokeless powders."
Also in reprints of the 1911 Alfa Catalogue/"Arms of the World-1911", cartridges listed as 0.30 Winchester Smokeless soft point as well as one 0.30 Winchester Short Range Model 1894, as well as a 25-35 listing for the 1894. In the description it notes that smokeless will have a manteled bullet while black powder will have a lead version. Then there is a series of 4 Savage 30-30 Smokeless with the 3rd one being a short range version. The 3rd one doesn't have the "+" to denote smokeless powder as all others do but has what looks to be a new note stating that it is smokeless. The 4th cartridge is some "Covered Minature" round.
Then a reprint of a 1931 Winchester Catalogue shows the 0.30 Winchester as a "Staynless" cartridge with a full patch or softpoint. An additional listing shows 0.30 Winchester Superspeed(.30-30) with a 110 grain hollowpoint. There isn't a listing for a 0.30 Win in black powder but for those like the 0.25-20SS it lists a black powder/lead bullet combo, was well as a staynless/jacketed, which is a common thread throughout the listings. This seems to support Sharpe's statement of black powder not working with a jacketed bullet.
Most of the loads for the 25/35 I've seen were about 1/2 of 35. There were a few around 30 grains but I don't think I'd put 35 grains of smokeless in the round.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Last edited by ellenbr; 01/02/09 11:17 PM.
