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Geez, you guys. The information we get here from you all is just the best. Thanks a bunch for your thoughtful posts.

Back to the original topic I see no reason the 9.3x72R would not make a perfectly satifactory load for woods range whitail or similar size game. For those who like to do things different or old it should be a nice round for working up a paper patch load, could likely use heavy .357 bullets. It don't take a .477 Whizbang Belted Mag to kill every species which roams the earth.

On that point 2-piper is correct so this is last call for me on the 0.30WCF info on this thread. This is from page 368 of Philip B. Sharpe's Treatise on Handloading, 1937, 1941, 1949, 1952, 1953 regarding the 0.30WCF:

"It was designed by the Winchester people for use in their Model 1894 repeater, a popular lever action which is made even today. The .30/30 cartridge was originally intended to be used with 30 grains of black powder, but the black powder and metal-jacketed soft-point bullets failed to get along very well together, and accordingly early loads were soon altered to handle smokeless powders."

Also in reprints of the 1911 Alfa Catalogue/"Arms of the World-1911", cartridges listed as 0.30 Winchester Smokeless soft point as well as one 0.30 Winchester Short Range Model 1894, as well as a 25-35 listing for the 1894. In the description it notes that smokeless will have a manteled bullet while black powder will have a lead version. Then there is a series of 4 Savage 30-30 Smokeless with the 3rd one being a short range version. The 3rd one doesn't have the "+" to denote smokeless powder as all others do but has what looks to be a new note stating that it is smokeless. The 4th cartridge is some "Covered Minature" round.

Then a reprint of a 1931 Winchester Catalogue shows the 0.30 Winchester as a "Staynless" cartridge with a full patch or softpoint. An additional listing shows 0.30 Winchester Superspeed(.30-30) with a 110 grain hollowpoint. There isn't a listing for a 0.30 Win in black powder but for those like the 0.25-20SS it lists a black powder/lead bullet combo, was well as a staynless/jacketed, which is a common thread throughout the listings. This seems to support Sharpe's statement of black powder not working with a jacketed bullet.

Most of the loads for the 25/35 I've seen were about 1/2 of 35. There were a few around 30 grains but I don't think I'd put 35 grains of smokeless in the round.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey;
An "Old" Lyman handbook I have lists for the .25/35 using a 117gr bullet a max load of 3031 powder as 26.5grs with a suggested starting load of 21grs. I am in total agreement on your assesment of using 35grs smokeless in it. I suspect here the 35 was just thought to be a catchy phrase. This does bring up a very good point though, which I would appreciate if you would consider & give your thoughts on. Take the 4 cases of .25/35, .30/30, .32/40 & .38/55. The .30/30 case has more internal volume (powder capacity) than any of these except the .38/55. Now "IF" the .30/30 was intended as a "New" black powder cartridge "Why" would it have been a .30/30. It is rather obvious to me at least the second 30 has no reference to BP. Perhaps win did indeed intend it as a dual purpose round, available as a factory smokeless & reloadable with black. When this didn't work they shortly brought out the .32WS for this purpose. Dave Scovill of Handloader Magazine listed some old Winchester literature of the period stating this was indeed the reason for the .32WS. All the above mentioned loads of black for the .30/30 are short range loads & not full power. Winchester did not bring out the cartridge with this as it's primary purpose, they already had both the .32/20 & .32/40, the .30/30 was for a new niche A Smokeless Powder Cartridge.

2-Piper:

I agree 100%, i.e., I won't have to load up my sources, drive to Lynchburg, play that game of Rook and shoot the moon to decide the outcome.

Long live the 9.3X72R!!

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I'm looking at a 1914 Hercules powder catalog. Not sure what all of this means, but they offer--------

FOR BLACKPOWDER RIFLES-- Adapted for Smokeless Powder, "SHARPSHOOTER [dense]" powder

They offer this powder in "Mid-Range Loads" with either alloy or copper cap base bullets .

.30-30 9 grains
.30-40 12 grains
.30-45 14 grains
.32-40 HP 15 grains
.38-55 HP 18 grains

Hi Franc Otte.

Use only 193 grains bullets,they have softer mantel,(If you don`t use lead) then other 9,3. I have one myself (Drilling 16/16, 9,3-72.)
Regards Lennart

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/rifle-ammunition.php?product=12

A little late to the discussion; some friends and I have had good luck using Norma (from Huntington's) brass and various 35 caliber bullets in the "little 9.3". We substitue IMR 4198 for black and even use the 225 grain Nosler partion 35 with good effect in the old Forester's Patrone. I remember one pronghorn doe that was pretty much pentetrated from stem to stern with a Nosler from the hammer drilling my friend Roger shoots. He has also taken at least 5 cow elk with the same gun. He is, of course, an excellent stalker. I was lucky enough to take a nice caribou bull with a 72R but it did take two shots. The first bullet (a Rem. 35 caliber corelockt) had a jacket separtion I can only attribute to being squeezed in the Henry-type rifling. I did find what was left of the jacket in the heart. Good shooting,

C.

thanks guys....i was window checking some german drillings online....and they all seem to come with rifle rounds i've never understood.
i have Cartridges of the World somewhere..I guess they'd be described in there .eh?....just can't find it
thanks
Franc